Kipling and Christ

@SandyofSuffolk @mariathom60 Yeah just increase it in line with inflation or choose earnings - take your pick of one metric but the highest of three metrics means every year working people have to have tax increases to pay for this and over time it eats up the whole budget.

@KiplingChrist @mariathom60 If pensions aren't increased every year in line with inflation, how are we supposed to pay for our water rates, when they increased last year by 29% or council tax that went up by 6% and groceries that go up weekly?

The younger generation haven't thought this one through: "Sell your 3 bed house grandma, buy a studio flat and live off the sale proceeds instead of getting a state pension". Then young entitled grandson won't inherit his grandma's half a million pound house but a grotty fifty grand flat that he can't sell but is liable for the huge monthly management fees. And grandma has spent all the sale proceeds of her big house. It's called karma. 😜🤣

Former Labour anti-corruption minister Tulip Siddiq was sentenced to 6 years in prison in Bangladesh for corruption. A formal red notice request to Interpol has been made after she failed to respond to a Bangladesh arrest warrant. How will 'international law' Starmer respond?

What we have done is import millions of people who, rather than paying our pensions, will always be a cost to the state. spectator.com/article/emily-…

@mariathom60 @SandyofSuffolk It’s not blaming you. I don’t get this attitude. I am just saying you should not get big increases every year. We can’t afford it and the country has to live within its means. The books can’t be balanced just on the backs of the young.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk We are never going to agree, are we, so perhaps we should agree to disagree. I find it disappointing that the younger generation blame the older generation for so much when perhaps your ire should be targeted against the previous Governments.

@mariathom60 @SandyofSuffolk We need to do that as well. It is not an either/or. Pensioner benefits are half of welfare though. Saying you won’t touch it is not serious and the most obvious change is to remove the triple lock.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk You could focus your anger against all those unworthy benefit claimants and lobby for the Government to bring public sector pensions in line with private pensions. The old chestnut of not receiving pay in line with private sector is well out of the window.

@mariathom60 @SandyofSuffolk But that applies across both generations. There are always some that have difficulties but we are loading the current generation with huge costs that their parents did not need to pay. This makes it even harder for the young to save.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk I am not saying I don’t, what I am saying is that not everyone had the benefit of a decent pension scheme or had the means to save much. You are giving your argument a broad brush approach. It is disingenuous of you.

Putin’s Christianity for Easter.

@AlanWilkes16 On a much lower multiple of salary and not for long.

How many buying houses now have to stump up 16 - 18% mortgage interest, just like we had to... yes about 0.

@mariathom60 @SandyofSuffolk A lot had defined benefit schemes which we don’t have now. They had dividend tax relief which brown got rid of. House prices were lower as a multiple of incomes. If you get to 65 and have no savings that is irresponsible. You would say that of young people

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk Previous generations working in the private sector, unlike public sector, did not receive enhanced pensions and perhaps with 14%, 10% interest rates on mortgages and bringing kids up perhaps keeping head above water was the priority. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@mariathom60 @SandyofSuffolk You should not be living on it alone. It was never designed to do that. It is meant to make sure you have the bare minimum. People need to supplement it with private savings.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk Unfortunately difficult to live on State Pension, it only equates to half a living wage based on a 35 hour week. We have the lowest state pension is Europe.

@Jigger639 @SandyofSuffolk You don’t understand inflation clearly.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk Payments were low because wages were low, £39 a week in 1974. Prices were cheaper too, beer was 18p a pint for example, and one wage kept a home and raised a family. So your mindset is to apply modern standards to a period over 50yrs ago? Aye, you're an idiot.

The trouble is young people have been told for years "you can be anything you want to be", when you can't. They've seen a handful of people make millions from being an influencer. They've all gone to university thinking it'll be a gateway to a better job when, really, if you're not exceptionally bright, you may as well not have bothered. The majority of people have to settle for run of the mill boring jobs. And young people are resentful. They're waking up to the fact life is hard graft and to get anything you have to work hard, long hours, and forego many things that, until adulthood, were handed to them on a plate. They're lashing out because too many people like teachers and their soft parents haven't prepared them for life in the real world. It's coming home to roost that life isn't all unicorns and gap years. They want what nan and grandad have. Now. Now!! They forget how nan and grandad got it and it wasn't by sitting on their bums on Playstation. Welcome to planet earth young 'uns.

@AndrewLMacaulay @SyndiTypo @HeatherBo63 That is bollocks. I oppose abortion and assisted suicide. I am saying you can’t have 5-10 % increases annually so you think that means I support state sanctioned murder? That is quite a jump.

@SyndiTypo @KiplingChrist @HeatherBo63 I was going to say that some responding here are obviously wanting legalised assisted suicide as they could then let the NHS euthenise anyone seen to be too much of a bother or cost.

Don't want to get into a bun fight here but why am I reading posts from younger people complaining about people getting a state pension? Errrr, this is how it has always been. When we're young, we work hard for years and then we reach an age where we receive a pension and it's the next generation's turn. What is it with a lot of younger people nowadays (god, I sound like my dad!), they want it all and would be happy if we just kicked the bucket when we retire. I receive my state pension in November this year and I'm bloomin' well not going to feel guilty about it. I would never have complained about this when I was younger and working full time. Never even considered it.

@Edwina_Currie You literally were part of the government that broke the link with earnings for your parents. You did not pay for a triple lock.

You selfish sod. You can work. We can’t. We’re old. And till you get here (IF you get here) you’ve no idea what it’s like. Old age isn’t for cissies. It’s for taking your tablets & managing on your pension. 😡😡😡😢😢😢🤬🤬🤬🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

@dougiebrimson You increased the state pensions for your parents by RPI only. You did not pay for a triple lock and should not expect the next generation to do so. You are entitled to a pension that is updated by a lower amount that is affordable.

As the recipient of a state pension, could I thank all those still working (including myself) for collectively paying their taxes to fund it. Just as I did for your parents and/grandparents during my lengthy, and ongoing, working life. Something I did on the understanding that the system would continue to function, as it does. That’s how it works. 👍

@exRAF_Al Then uprate the state pension by rpi like you did with the generation you paid for. Simple.

Just as the nurses, teachers, police officers and military personnel who kept the likes of Luke healthy, educated and safe, were funded by yesterday’s working population. This is a fact, whether he likes it or not.

@Jenny_1884 @pramila1144 How is that straw man argument working for you?

These people complaining about the triple lock on pensions for people who paid into the system all their working lives should vent their anger on the amount this government pays out housing illegal migrants that have not paid a single penny into the system. It’s insane these people blame the elderly for working hard all their lives. If you want to blame anyone it should be the government not the elderly.

@WillowFairy25 @SandyofSuffolk The state pension component of it is uprated by that sorry - which is 80% of the total for pensioner welfare.

@WillowFairy25 @SandyofSuffolk Pensioner benefit spending is half the welfare bill and we are committed to uprate it every year equal to or beyond the increase in average wages. It is basic maths that this cannot continue. Increasing by earnings alone would be fine.

@WillowFairy25 @SandyofSuffolk Trying to spot an argument anywhere in your comment but there is none. The state pension by the time I will qualify will need to be cut substantially because of all the debts built up to pay for the current increases. We all know the triple lock must end.

@KiplingChrist @SandyofSuffolk Propagandist claptrap. Young people spouting this are idiots believing this to be true. It’s not and the more you spout it the more it is likely you won’t get any pension bc you’re giving your puppy masters permission to take it from you. Go protest about real wasted money.

@Pabel5Pabel @exRAF_Al It guarantees that it is 2.5% or over but as you show above it is much higher in practice. 10% increase when we had recently spent hundreds of billions on Covid. It is madness.

@KiplingChrist @exRAF_Al We don't receive that every year, silly.

Miriam literally concedes that pensioners have earned their money, but she would deprive them of that which they have earned. If you want to disincentive an already under-productive and apathetic younger generation by showing them how government betrays a promise, then crack on.