Wizard101GOD
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@GreenSentai1992 @Furubafani To be clear, CLAMP drafted the character designs, but did not animate the show.
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@Furubafani For those who don’t know, CLAMP (in all caps to not confuse for the other) is a group of character designers for certain anime. Their most famous work was in Code Geass. If you compare Saber here to C.C shown here, their faces are a near match.

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@the_con_man13 @SeverusChud The point is no one that enjoys elden ring gives a a fuck about any of this including miyazaki
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This shit is getting ridiculous. Tokenism is straight up destroying stories again.
The Lands Between was never a diverse melting pot. FromSoftware and GRRM built a grim European inspired dark fantasy with a clear ethnic and aesthetic vision.
There's not a single black NPC in Elden Ring. Now theyre most likely going to be everywhere in the new film. A world as grand as this needs to stick to a coherent ruleset, and stuff like race swapping shatters all immersion. I'm so tired of DEI.


UnBoxPHD@UnBoxPHD
Queen Marika! Emma Laird Filming Elden Ring!
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@mikaimpact @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Do you not understand what a retcon is? lol. What you just described is how bending works in Korra. In ATLA bending is taught and heavily implied to be given from these elemental animals. Korra goes against ATLA's themes of harmony with nature and reduces bending to a superpower.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial what part of the turtles giving humans the PHYSICAL ABILITY to bend while the dragons teaching them how to do it IN THEIR WAY do you not understand omg. not just any person could watch dragons firebend and just magically learn it they need the innate ability
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And yet they thought the lion turtles just giving people bending like magic powers was a better origin story than it being an extension of nature.
Avatar Universe@4vataruniverse
The OG Benders of the 4 Bending Elements
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@ruddi1994 @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Actually anyone would be able to learn bending from anyone who already knows it by this logic, but I don't think the writers thought that far. They needed to answer why there were benders and non-benders in the Avatar universe and did it in the most hamfisted way possible.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial If that's the logic, then everyone can do element bending, just by observing these animals. Which is not the case; not everyone can bend even though they are martial art masters e.g. Piandao, Ty Lee, Suki
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@nasty_fasty808 @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Around this time is probably when the writers decided to go back on what was established earlier, or more likely they just forgot.
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@nasty_fasty808 @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial And second, lion turtles being able to give Aang the ability to energybend was also poor writing. Aang is randomly given the most powerful ability in the series at that point by complete coincidence at the perfect time for him to solve his impossible conflict.
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@nasty_fasty808 @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial I get what you're trying to say, but Aang literally could not bend earth or fire until he had people to teach him. There are scenes in ATLA of Aang trying to firebend and earthbend without a master and failing to do anything at all.
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@Sir_Penguinn @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial To be clear I don't really have a problem with minor retcons like this as long as they benefit the story. Lion turtles being able to just "give" someone a superpower is less interesting to me than learning bending from being in harmony with nature. It fits the themes.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial It’s only like that in ATLA because the story was still being developed though. Like Aang and Katara first learnt water bending forms from a scroll they bought but those were never mentioned after that season AFAIK, none of that is really a retcon just lore added later on
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@cirequestre @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial I personally dislike it because it takes the emphasis away from mans harmony with nature and just turns bending into a generic superpower some people are naturally born with. Korra strays pretty far away from these themes in general so I think this complaint is emblematic of that
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@Wizard101LORD @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Ok but why is it a bad retcon lol from atla we already knew bending was genetic in some way, and not anyone could just learn it. korra gives a decent explanation.
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@andriod8teen @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Good point. I'd consider this an oversight more than anything, especially her bending Aang out of the iceberg. We don't have any other examples of accidental bending in the entire series as far as I'm aware lol
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@Wizard101LORD @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Katara was able to accidentally water bend aang out the iceberg because she was mad at sokka in the first episode of the series lol.We also learn that she is the only water bender in the south so no one taught her nothing.
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@Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial I am also not accounting for the avatar state, where Aang draws upon his spiritual ancestors' wisdom.
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@Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial 1. Aang does not have difficulty mastering Firebending, just earthbending as it is his elemental opposite. He learns firebending last because of his pacifist beliefs.
2. The first time he waterbends Katara is there to teach him, lol. He picks it up faster than her though.
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@chubshard @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Jeong Jeong explained the basics of firebending principles to Aang; concentrated breathing. Because Aang is a prodigy, he can extrapolate this information to learn how to firebend. He does it improperly due to his impatience. He was still taught.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial No he does not he wasnt taught any bending he mimic the action of fire dancer and burns katara he was starting breathing lessons
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@Sir_Penguinn @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial I understand that is how bending works In Korra, but that is not how bending works in ATLA. Aang is not able to firebend until he has someone to teach him, even though he has the ability to "learn it".
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Using your example then. I can walk up and show someone a karate chop, they’ll be able to do it as well but won’t have the finer technique to not hurt themselves or to make it work in a fight - that’s the lionturtle giving people bending
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@bluebittersuite @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial As for your second point, you can look at it two ways. Toph is blind like the badger moles, which made it easier to learn from them and understand fundamental earthbending principles that were lost to time, or it's a minor writing flaw.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial That is only because an avatar has elements that are easier or harder to learn. Aang literally automatically learned waterbending with no master. Also lion turtles fix the issue of nonbenders existing. If you could just learn from the moon or a badger mole, why aren’t everyone?
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@bluebittersuite @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Aang could waterbend without a master in the avatar state, and easily learning waterbending with Katara's help. Which is to say, he needed to draw upon previous avatar's experience in bending or to learn from another waterbender.
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@chubshard @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial No he doesn't, Jeong Jeong teaches him. It is a short training session but he needed Jeong Jeong to teach him before he could firebend. Theoretically Aang could firebend before this in the avatar state, though.
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@Wizard101LORD @Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial But Aang does exactly that. Before he is trained at all he firebends. The ability is separate from the skill. LoK expanded the mythology it didnt retcon anything
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@Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial Here's an example; Aang has the ability to firebend, but he can't simply punch the air and shoot fire out of his hand. That is, until he has a master to teach him. Because bending symbolically represents martial arts, and it is nonsensical to be "given" the ability to karate chop
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@Spothyo @Billsbyabillpt2 @Fritz_Imperial The point I'm trying to make is that it is stated in ATLA that bending was originally learned by people observing animals. Wan bends without observing dragons. That is the retcon. I literally cannot explain this any more directly lol.
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