@TisDeanoPVFC @afneil Enjoy the ever-cleaner, ever-cheaper energy.
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Daniel Barkeley
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Wow that’s it. After spending tens of billions on renewables and running down our energy intensive heavy industries, some to zero?
Daniel Barkeley@danielbarkeley
@afneil It's already happening.
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This is why progress on climate won't be linear and net zero is still achievable.
So many economic tipping points yet to be unlocked in the coming decades.
Nicolas Fulghum@nicolasfulghum
The next tipping point in the energy transition is approaching. Overall, solar has already been cheaper than fossil power for a while, but upfront costs used to be higher. That's no longer the case. Solar is now competitive upfront AND has vastly lower operating costs (no fuel)
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@WatsonNeil3 @afneil No...are you that sort that wants to return to the 19th century when coal mining was the only job outside farming a man could find?
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@danielbarkeley @afneil Are you are the type of heartless ghoul that laughs at miners, shipyard workers, steelmen, etc etc losing their homes when they cant pay their mortage?
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@DagenhamMKIII @afneil Wow....that's a bold statement that contradicts all available evidence. Recent trends show renewables making massive progress in penetrating the energy mix.
What's the evidence for your claim that progress will halt and go into reverse?
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@danielbarkeley @afneil But it won’t.
This is bollocks.
Maybe the timescale of Real Life is confusing you.
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@JonjoBamjo @afneil "Peak renewables" is pretty laughable tbh.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil Won't even be 50%.
We're at peak renewables now and the rest of the economy won't cope with anything less
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You are aware that oil and gas together still account for 73–75% of the UK's total primary energy consumption (which covers all energy needs across electricity, heating, transport, industry and other sectors, measured in primary energy terms)? So explain to me exactly how ‘you will make it happen’ that we don’t use fossil fuels.
Tris Osborne MP@TrisOsborneMP
Let’s make it happen…
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@LaindonAndy @afneil That's already not true. Spain has small amounts of gas on the grid - which is nessecary to support wind and solar.
But the amount of gas is so small it doesn't set the retail price; they have the cheapest electricity in Europe.
The UK needs to move to that model.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil Gas will always be on the grid and, as such, will always define the price paid of all energy generation due to the suicidal way we pay for energy.
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All that’s impressive is that your energy policies — supported by all major parties — have decimated our energy-intensive industries, thanks to giving us the most expensive industrial energy costs in the world. Well done. Quite an achievement.
Daniel Barkeley@danielbarkeley
@afneil Maybe the timescale of the previous chart is confusing you. 10% in ten years is impressive. And the tech is getting better. It'll be 20% next decade, and 40% the decade after. And don't blame Green Energy for Brexit and the Conservatives shit industrial policy.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil I'll bet you a million quid now, it won't be anywhere near zero by 2050.
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@bondysimon @afneil It's a good question. Much of Europe's aluminum industry has been exported to Iceland - which is powered by geothermal and hydro.
You're probably talking about China though. It's rapidly greening and closing in on the UK's percentage of fossil energy.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil Daniel do you think any of our industrial capabilities have been ‘exported’ to somewhere else? If so what is the power mix of that ‘somewhere else’? Please make reference to both coal and oil & gas in your answer. Now ask adjusted for that what your chart looks like.
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@echintune @afneil No fossil fuels still have plenty of non-energy uses.
There might be some residual gas usage in winter. Maybe jet fuel, if we can't synthesize a replacement.
But it'll be at least a 90% reduction by 2050 ,and the rest will be mopped up shortly thereafter.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil So nowhere in the world will be using fossil fuels in 24 years time. Totally deluded
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@MarkFaulknerUK Sure, but it doesn't really siphon capital away from renewables to a meaningful extent. So a useful moonshot prospect.
I don't think anyone would oppose it's deployment if we built a working reactor.
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@danielbarkeley Fusion seems like a silly lower probability waste of money when we could focus on a higher probability solution of solar in space.
But fusion is a sexier solution, I suppose.
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@JonjoBamjo @afneil Pretty sure that's 73% bud. It'll be 0% by 2050.
Cry harder.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil It's taken 15 years and the strangulation of the electricity market to get the figure down to 85%!
Jesus.
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The UK has expensive electricity because - unlike Spain and Portugal - you haven't finished the job and gotten expensive gas off the grid.
If you think the Iran War is an argument in favor of fossil dependency - you're delusional.
Andrew Neil@afneil
All that’s impressive is that your energy policies — supported by all major parties — have decimated our energy-intensive industries, thanks to giving us the most expensive industrial energy costs in the world. Well done. Quite an achievement.
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@echintune @afneil It'll take about to 2050, which was the plan all along.
It's not a linear process.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil So at that rate it'll only take about 150 years and god knows how much money.
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@Calum92Stevens @afneil Still don't see a source for that £600 billion figure.
Ami meant to be persuaded by numbers you just made up?
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@danielbarkeley @afneil 25bn per year for roughly 20 years. Like it or not and argue over it if you wish, but it's cost a dam fortune. And we've nothing left. Can't make fertilizer, steel, plastics, own fuel... It's mental.
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Maybe the timescale of the previous chart is confusing you.
10% in ten years is impressive. And the tech is getting better. It'll be 20% next decade, and 40% the decade after.
And don't blame Green Energy for Brexit and the Conservatives shit industrial policy.
Andrew Neil@afneil
Wow that’s it. After spending tens of billions on renewables and running down our energy intensive heavy industries, some to zero?
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@JonjoBamjo @afneil What "way" do I think it is happening? Do tell.
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@danielbarkeley @afneil Whatever is happening, isn't happening the way you think it is and that graph proves it
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@danielbarkeley @afneil It's only cost us about 600bn so far for a 10 percent reduction and no jobs and a shattered economy. How much further do you suggest we go?
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