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Edwin Cervantes
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Edwin Cervantes
@ecerv2004
ELAC; Movieholic/TV show enthusiast; JFK liberal; Live life one day at a time, enjoy the little things, & dream on.
Los Angeles County Se unió Aralık 2014
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama This is not about me “not knowing how to use the internet”
has been *admitted* that these networks are designed to boost engagement with similar techniques to gambling/drug pushing, and limit viewpoints
now we are seeing negative effects which threaten society
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I don't really understand the free speech argument when it relates to kids. Pornography is speech, but we don't go around broadcasting it to kids. So why do platforms that promote thinspiration influencers suddenly get a pass because of free speech?
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama It’s not the government’s job to decide how I should curve my social media addiction anymore than it’s their job to ban McDonald’s to curb the obesity epidemic.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama It is a *fact* that these people are profiting off of unethical techniques which cause objective social harm and which erode discernment,
if we are serious at all about societal health this would not be legal
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@sri_demosthenes @J_fassler I highly doubt voting for Brian Dahle in 2022 had any butterfly effect on Donald Trump as the GOP nominee for 2024.
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@ecerv2004 @J_fassler If you voted Republican in the last 10 years, ya did.
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My political journey:
1. Grew up Democrat
Lowkey Rey 2.0@AtlRey
My political journey: 1. Grew up Democrat 2. Started to despise Democrats 3. Became a Republican 4. Started to despise Republicans 5. Became Tea Party 6. That ended - I went silent 7. Trump came - I became MAGA 8. Voted Trump 3X - felt at home 9. Now I'm watching MAGA change 10. Wondering next steps
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama All I keep reading from you are excuses for not knowing how to use the internet.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama You’re not getting that what comes up when you search *is* what is given to you, in contrast to the entire world of available context
It’s like assuming flat earth when people who have seen the big picture know it’s not
And prior to 2020’s you could see the big picture
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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@Angry_Staffer Even Rand Paul voted for this?
You don’t see that everyday from a libertarian.
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Still can’t get over the House GOP rejecting a 100-0 bill from the Senate to fund TSA, Coast Guard, and FEMA and… just going on vacation.
Complete abdication of duty.
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama You have user autonomy. You can look up whatever you want outside what is given to you, you can restrict your content from other people. Or you can not use social media at all.
Take some responsibility for what you post or look up.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama It even resembles anti-trust concerns in this new environment where there is a worldwide market of speech to access.
Why would it ever be ethical to erode user autonomy to monopolize certain content?
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama If there’s a limit, why is it that I can access whatever I want outside this so called bubble?
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama -Which they curate for you, limiting what you can access to an algorithmic bubble
Interesting how that works huh?
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama Social media is not obligated to give you exactly what you want like a handout.
It’s up to you to look up your preferences.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama -and can make $ honestly. That is an ethical obligation.
Deception is deception, there is no excuse for it.
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama Newsflash: Every single business functions like this. That’s literally the goal of the marketplace, make money.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama This was not a discovery lol, this was the root of the issue from the get-go
It’s the abuse of this principal to maximize profits that is predatory
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama That’s confusing the issue once again.
Nobody is concerned about the expression of free speech.
They are concerned about the speech they cannot see, because the feed is *already* curated for you by an overarching entity
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama Congratulations, you just discovered the lesson of supply and demand.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama It is.
And also the search function is still algorithmically curated.
What comes up (and *only* what comes up) is what it thinks you want to see.
You are unable to use these services autonomously. It erodes society by drowning them in slop.
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama Speech no matter how intelligent or otherwise is protected, whether you like it or not.
Using it is a choice and you can always choose not to use it or swipe left on the algorithms.
You have that agency so you have no excuses to let government do it for you.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama 1. You are taking the analogy too literally, which is impeding you from taking the intuitive point that it is ‘manipulative bait’ which erodes your autonomy.
2. Your argument intriguingly seems to be that you *should* be able to cause harm, the burden of protection on victims
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama It’s not fraud and you can search for relevant results.
It’s called using your keyboard.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama It’s fraud. Don’t pretend like the algorithm doesn’t inhibit autonomous use.
You can’t even search for relevant results anymore, all curated
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama Wow, that’s a new one: equating your social media addiction to child kidnapping.
Am I to understand that parents are not responsible whatsoever for their child’s wellbeing in any of your paranoiac scenarios?
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama You’re strategically (also suspiciously) dancing around the fact that the reason to put an algorithm in in the first place is that the same reason why creeps offer candy, in particular, out of their vans
They know they can manipulate, and do so. That shouldn’t be legal.
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@bruh76027799 @clairlemon @JMchangama No they’re not. They’re one and the same.
Government has no business regulating speech except under four narrow exceptions: fraud, obscenity, defamation, and imminent threats.
And no, algorithms do not fall under any of these nor is it a fifth one.
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@ecerv2004 @clairlemon @JMchangama Anybody with discernment can see that it is a valid assessment, respectfully.
Algorithm and speech are completely separate issues.
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