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@ARS38171688: [1/2] ๐˜™๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ด 11:1โ€“2: โ€œ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ซ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ? ๐˜‰๐˜บ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ด.โ€ ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐ญ๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต. ๐˜‘๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฉ 31:31โ€“33 [๐ญ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ] โ€œ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ตโ€ You seem to enjoy talking about things you neither know or understand. Perhaps the following will explain some of what things you clearly do not understand. In Romans 11, the apostle Paul compares Abrahamโ€™s seed to the branches of an olive tree. (Rom. 11:21) This tree represents the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. The root of the tree is holy and represents God, who gives life to the tree's branches, the Israel of God. (Rom. 11:16) The trunk represents Jesus, the primary part of Abrahamโ€™s offspring/seed, and the branches that includes the remnant represent โ€œthe fullnessโ€ of those included in the secondary part of this seed. (Isa. 10:20; Rom. 11:12)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The natural Jews that rejected Jesus are the branches that were โ€œbroken off" the olive tree (Rom. 11:17), which means that they lost the opportunity to become part of Abrahamโ€™s seed. But who would replace those branches? John the Baptist said something very interesting: "Do not begin to say to yourselves, โ€˜We have Abraham as our father.โ€™ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham." (Luke 3:8)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ Branches from a wild olive tree were grafted onto the olive tree to replace the branches that have been broken off. (Rom. 11:17-18) IOW Gentile Christians would be grafted into the olive tree and so they join the Christian Jewish remnant as the secondary part of Abrahamโ€™s seed. God broke off the natural branches, which opened the way to these wild olive branches to become spiritual Jews, and their praise comes from God. (Rom. 2:28-29)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The "Israel of God" (Gal.6:16) are the Christians that became the 'children of the promise that are counted by God as Abraham's seed.' The Israel of God is "a royal priesthood, a holy nation," and they are now "God's people" that "have received mercy." (1 Pet. 2:9-10)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The natural Jews still have the opportunity to become part of the Abraham's seed, for if they "do not continue in their unbelief, โ€ฆ the natural branches [will] be grafted back into their own olive tree" by God. (Rom. 11:23-24)โฃ God has rendered judgment and he has chosen those who he will count as Abraham's seed, "the Israel of God," and how inscrutable are his ways! Indeed, "๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ซ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐จ๐œ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž." (Rom. 11:29, 33; Gal. 6:16)โฃ โฃโฃ As Rom. 5:10 says, โ€œFor if while we were enemies [of the gospel] we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.โ€ Rom. 11:28 says, โ€œAs regards the gospel, [the natural Jews] are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, [the Jewish remnant] are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.โ€ (Rom. 11:28)โฃโฃโฃโฃ Again, I said nothing about the replacement of ๐š๐ง๐ฒ religious system. The old Law Covenant is no longer in effect. When the nation of Israel broke the Law of Moses in 607 BC, God foretold through the prophet Jeremiah that that old covenant would be superseded by the ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ covenant. โฃ [contโ€™d]

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@wpcguy @YahwehGraced Romans 11:1โ€“2: โ€œHas God rejected His people? By no means.โ€ That alone shuts down the idea of total replacement. Jeremiah 31:31โ€“33 yhe โ€œnew covenantโ€
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@YahwehGraced: [1/5] ๐˜Œ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฎโ€™๐˜ด (๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜ดโ€™) ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ด๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. You are mistaken; Israel is no longer Godโ€™s chosen people. With reference to the Jews at Matt. 23:38, Jesus stated: โ€œYour house is left to you desolate.โ€ In fact,God entered into a covenant with the patriarch Abraham promising to bless and multiply his offspring because of Abrahamโ€™s faith. This promise is called the โ€œAbrahamic Covenant.โ€ ๐†๐ž๐ง. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ๐Ÿ•-๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–: ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ก๐ž๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ž๐š๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ž. ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ฆ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ก ๐›๐ž ๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐, ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐จ๐›๐ž๐ฒ๐ž๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ข๐œ๐ž. With respect to the Abrahamic Covenant, some 400 years later, God told the descendants of Abraham through Moses that they had been chosen to be his people based on โ€œthe oath that he swore to [their] fathers,โ€ Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฎ๐ญ. ๐Ÿ•:๐Ÿ”-๐Ÿ–: โ€œ๐…๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐š ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐. ๐“๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐œ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐š ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐š๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ก. ๐ˆ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ฐ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ค๐ž๐ž๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐จ๐š๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐›๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐š ๐ฆ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐๐ž๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ, ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐๐ก๐š๐ซ๐š๐จ๐ก ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐  ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐„๐ ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ญ. God warned Abrahamโ€™s descendants, the nation of Israel, that if they should failto obey Godโ€™s commandments that they would no longer receive blessings and would be overtaken by many curses. ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฎ๐ญ. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“-๐Ÿ๐Ÿ”: ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐จ๐›๐ž๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐จ๐ข๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐จ๐ซ ๐›๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ญ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐จ๐๐š๐ฒ, ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ง ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐œ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐‚๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ž๐ฅ๐. God specifically warned Israel that Rome would destroy them as a nation. God told them in 1473 BCโ€”some 1,542 years in advanceโ€”that they would be cursed and abandoned as a nation, and would suffer besiegement. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. [contโ€™d]
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[2/2] ๐‰๐ž๐ซ. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ-๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘:โฃ ๐๐ž๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐, ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐š๐ฒ๐ฌ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ง๐ , ๐๐ž๐œ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ, ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ง ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐š ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ ๐œ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‰๐ฎ๐๐š๐ก, ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ค๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ฆ๐š๐๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ข๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐š๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ž๐ง ๐ˆ ๐ญ๐จ๐จ๐ค ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฆ ๐›๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐›๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฆ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐„๐ ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ญ, ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐œ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐›๐ซ๐จ๐ค๐ž, ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ข๐ซ ๐ก๐ฎ๐ฌ๐›๐š๐ง๐, ๐๐ž๐œ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ. ๐…๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐š๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž ๐๐š๐ฒ๐ฌ, ๐๐ž๐œ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ: ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฅ๐š๐ฐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฆ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ซ๐ข๐ญ๐ž ๐ข๐ญ ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ข๐ซ ๐ก๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ฌ. ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ข๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž.โฃ โฃ In 29 AD, when the Lord Jesus Christ was baptized in the Jordan River by his cousin John and anointed by holy spirit by God, a new Israel came into existence. Israel as a nation was no longer Godโ€™s chosen people, for God has]d moved on, and so, in connection with the Abrahamic Covenant, God gave the kingdom of God to another โ€œIsrael.โ€ When Jesus died in 33 AD, the old covenant came to an end as foretold by the prophet Daniel.โฃ โฃ ๐ƒ๐š๐ง. ๐Ÿ—:๐Ÿ๐Ÿ•:โฃ ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐š ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ซ๐จ๐ง๐  ๐œ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐ฐ๐ž๐ž๐ค, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฐ๐ž๐ž๐ค ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐š๐ง ๐ž๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฌ๐š๐œ๐ซ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ข๐œ๐ž ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ .โฃ โฃ God cancelled โ€˜the record of debt that stood against the Jews and set it aside, nailing it to the cross.โ€™ (Col. 2:14) Do you not understand what โ€œChrist is the end of the lawโ€ means? (Rom. 10:4) The new covenant has been in effect since the โ€œ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐Ÿ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฐ๐ž๐ž๐คโ€ when Jesus died in 33 AD; at which point the old covenant became obsolete.โฃ โฃ Jesus told the Jews that โ€œthe kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits. (Matt. 21:43) Jesus dismissed the house of Israel when he told the Jews: โ€œYour house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, โ€˜Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.โ€™โ€ (Matt 23:38-39)โฃ โฃ I believe you are confused, for there is now another โ€œIsrael,โ€ who are the โ€œchildren of the promiseโ€ that God made to Abraham in the Abrahamic Covenant. (Gen. 22:18) As Paul explains:โฃ โฃ ๐‘๐จ๐ฆ. ๐Ÿ—:๐Ÿ”-๐Ÿ–:โฃ ๐…๐จ๐ซ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐๐ž๐ฌ๐œ๐ž๐ง๐๐ž๐ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ ๐›๐ž๐ฅ๐จ๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐ซ๐š๐ž๐ฅ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ž๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐€๐›๐ซ๐š๐ก๐š๐ฆ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฒ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ , ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ โ€œ๐“๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐ˆ๐ฌ๐š๐š๐œ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐›๐ž ๐ง๐š๐ฆ๐ž๐.โ€ ๐“๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฆ๐ž๐š๐ง๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ž๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ก ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ž๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ฅ๐๐ซ๐ž๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ž ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐œ๐จ๐ฎ๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐š๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ .โฃ
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@ARS38171688: [1/2] ๐˜™๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ด 11:1โ€“2: โ€œ๐˜๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ซ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ? ๐˜‰๐˜บ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ด.โ€ ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐ญ๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต. ๐˜‘๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฉ 31:31โ€“33 [๐ญ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ] โ€œ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ตโ€ You seem to enjoy talking about things you neither know or understand. Perhaps the following will explain some of what things you clearly do not understand. In Romans 11, the apostle Paul compares Abrahamโ€™s seed to the branches of an olive tree. (Rom. 11:21) This tree represents the fulfillment of the Abrahamic Covenant. The root of the tree is holy and represents God, who gives life to the tree's branches, the Israel of God. (Rom. 11:16) The trunk represents Jesus, the primary part of Abrahamโ€™s offspring/seed, and the branches that includes the remnant represent โ€œthe fullnessโ€ of those included in the secondary part of this seed. (Isa. 10:20; Rom. 11:12)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The natural Jews that rejected Jesus are the branches that were โ€œbroken off" the olive tree (Rom. 11:17), which means that they lost the opportunity to become part of Abrahamโ€™s seed. But who would replace those branches? John the Baptist said something very interesting: "Do not begin to say to yourselves, โ€˜We have Abraham as our father.โ€™ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham." (Luke 3:8)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ Branches from a wild olive tree were grafted onto the olive tree to replace the branches that have been broken off. (Rom. 11:17-18) IOW Gentile Christians would be grafted into the olive tree and so they join the Christian Jewish remnant as the secondary part of Abrahamโ€™s seed. God broke off the natural branches, which opened the way to these wild olive branches to become spiritual Jews, and their praise comes from God. (Rom. 2:28-29)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The "Israel of God" (Gal.6:16) are the Christians that became the 'children of the promise that are counted by God as Abraham's seed.' The Israel of God is "a royal priesthood, a holy nation," and they are now "God's people" that "have received mercy." (1 Pet. 2:9-10)โฃโฃ โฃโฃ The natural Jews still have the opportunity to become part of the Abraham's seed, for if they "do not continue in their unbelief, โ€ฆ the natural branches [will] be grafted back into their own olive tree" by God. (Rom. 11:23-24)โฃ God has rendered judgment and he has chosen those who he will count as Abraham's seed, "the Israel of God," and how inscrutable are his ways! Indeed, "๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ซ๐ซ๐ž๐ฏ๐จ๐œ๐š๐›๐ฅ๐ž." (Rom. 11:29, 33; Gal. 6:16)โฃ โฃโฃ As Rom. 5:10 says, โ€œFor if while we were enemies [of the gospel] we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.โ€ Rom. 11:28 says, โ€œAs regards the gospel, [the natural Jews] are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, [the Jewish remnant] are beloved for the sake of their forefathers.โ€ (Rom. 11:28)โฃโฃโฃโฃ Again, I said nothing about the replacement of ๐š๐ง๐ฒ religious system. The old Law Covenant is no longer in effect. When the nation of Israel broke the Law of Moses in 607 BC, God foretold through the prophet Jeremiah that that old covenant would be superseded by the ๐ง๐ž๐ฐ covenant. โฃ [contโ€™d]
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@ARS38171688: ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ. To what โ€œframeworkโ€ do you refer/ ๐˜š๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ฉ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฉ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ด๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฉ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜บ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜™๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜จ๐˜บ. What โ€œreligious systemโ€? I did not say that ๐š๐ง๐ฒ religious system was replaced. ๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ด 15 & 22 ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ข ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ. ๐˜ˆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ฉ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฉ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฏโ€™๐˜ต ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ญ. God made a covenant with Abraham and to his descendants, not to the 12 tribes of Israel, not to the house of Israel and the house of Jacob, but to Christ and to Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. (Gal. 3:16, 29) Rom. 9:6 says: โ€œNot all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.โ€ The โ€œIsrael of Godโ€ (Gal. 6:16) are Christians, a spiritual Israel. Christianity has not a thing to do with the Jews, with Judaism or with the Jewish state.โฃ
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@wpcguy @YahwehGraced Your framework breaks at the foundation. Saying Yahweh replaced Israel with a new religious system is Replacement Theology. Genesis 15 & 22 show a unilateral oath. A promise Yahweh makes doesnโ€™t collapse because people fail.
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@YahwehGraced: [1/5] ๐˜Œ๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฎโ€™๐˜ด (๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ๐˜ดโ€™) ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜๐˜ด๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. You are mistaken; Israel is no longer Godโ€™s chosen people. With reference to the Jews at Matt. 23:38, Jesus stated: โ€œYour house is left to you desolate.โ€ In fact,God entered into a covenant with the patriarch Abraham promising to bless and multiply his offspring because of Abrahamโ€™s faith. This promise is called the โ€œAbrahamic Covenant.โ€ ๐†๐ž๐ง. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ:๐Ÿ๐Ÿ•-๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–: ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ญ๐ข๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ก๐ž๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ž๐š๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ซ๐ž. ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ž๐ง๐ž๐ฆ๐ข๐ž๐ฌ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ก ๐›๐ž ๐›๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐, ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐จ๐›๐ž๐ฒ๐ž๐ ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ฏ๐จ๐ข๐œ๐ž. With respect to the Abrahamic Covenant, some 400 years later, God told the descendants of Abraham through Moses that they had been chosen to be his people based on โ€œthe oath that he swore to [their] fathers,โ€ Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฎ๐ญ. ๐Ÿ•:๐Ÿ”-๐Ÿ–: โ€œ๐…๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐š ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐. ๐“๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐œ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐จ ๐›๐ž ๐š ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ž๐ ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง, ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐š๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ก. ๐ˆ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฆ๐›๐ž๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ง ๐š๐ง๐ฒ ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž ๐จ๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐ก๐จ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ, ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ฐ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ค๐ž๐ž๐ฉ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐จ๐š๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฐ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ญ๐จ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ, ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ก๐š๐ฌ ๐›๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐š ๐ฆ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐๐ž๐ž๐ฆ๐ž๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฌ๐ฅ๐š๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฒ, ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐๐ก๐š๐ซ๐š๐จ๐ก ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐  ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐„๐ ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ญ. God warned Abrahamโ€™s descendants, the nation of Israel, that if they should failto obey Godโ€™s commandments that they would no longer receive blessings and would be overtaken by many curses. ๐ƒ๐ž๐ฎ๐ญ. ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ–:๐Ÿ๐Ÿ“-๐Ÿ๐Ÿ”: ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ข๐Ÿ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐จ๐›๐ž๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฏ๐จ๐ข๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐†๐จ๐ ๐จ๐ซ ๐›๐ž ๐œ๐š๐ซ๐ž๐Ÿ๐ฎ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ญ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐จ๐๐š๐ฒ, ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ง ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐œ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ž ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐จ๐ง ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐‚๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐œ๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐œ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ž๐ฅ๐. God specifically warned Israel that Rome would destroy them as a nation. God told them in 1473 BCโ€”some 1,542 years in advanceโ€”that they would be cursed and abandoned as a nation, and would suffer besiegement. This prophecy was fulfilled in 70 AD. [contโ€™d]

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Elohimโ€™s (Godsโ€™) chosen people are still the Israelites. Not a replacement group called โ€œChristians.โ€ Not the Catholic Church. Not the Protestants. Not the LDS. Not the Pentecostal Mission. Not the Jehovahโ€™s Witnesses or the Bible Students. Not any nations: Roman, British or American The Qahal (or Eklessia / Congregation) didnโ€™t start in Acts. Moses and the prophets already laid the foundation at Sinai. The apostles didnโ€™t invent a new religion, they stood on that same foundation under Yeshua, the cornerstone. โ€œChurch started in the New Testamentโ€ is just ignorance of your own Scriptures. built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, ย (Ephesians 2:20, ESV)
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[5/5] There was a certain woman that dwelt beyond Jordan; her name was Mary; her father was Eleazar; of the village Bethezob; which signifies the house of Hyssop.โ€ฆ What she had treasured up besides, as also what food she had contrived to save, had been also carried off by the rapacious guards, who came every day running into her house for that purpose.โ€ฆ [T]he famine pierced through her very bowels, and marrow. When also her passion was fired to a degree beyond the famine itself. Nor did she consult with any thing but with her passion, and the necessity she was in. She then attempted a most unnatural thing: and snatching up her son, which was a child sucking at her breast, she said, โ€œO thou miserable infant! for whom shall I preserve thee, in this war, this famine, and this sedition? As to the war with the Romans, if they preserve our lives, we must be slaves. This famine also will destroy us.โ€ฆ Come on. Be thou my food: and be thou a fury to these seditious varlets, and a by-word to the world. Which is all that is now wanting to compleat the calamities of us Jews.โ€ As soon as she had said this, she slew her son; and then roasted him; and eat the one half of him; and kept the other half by her concealed. Upon this the seditious came in presently; and smelling the horrid scent of this food, they threatened her, that they would cut her throat immediately, if she did not shew them what food she had gotten ready. She replied, that โ€œShe had saved a very fine portion of it for them:โ€ and withal uncovered what was left of her son. Hereupon they were seized with an horror, and amazement of mind, and stood astonished at the sight: when she said to them, โ€œThis is mine own son: and what hath been done was mine own doing. Come, eat of this food: for I have eaten of it myself. Do not you pretend to be either more tender than a woman, or more compassionate than a mother. But if you be so scrupulous and do abominate this my sacrifice; as I have eaten the one half, let the rest be reserved for me also.โ€ (Antiquities, VI, iii,ย 4.) When the siege was over, the toll in lives lost was tremendous. Some 1,100,000 were dead, most of these having perished from pestilence and starvation. Captives taken from the start to the end of the war numbered about 97,000. The tallest and handsomest youths were kept for the triumphal procession. As for the rest, many were sent off to do hard labor in Egypt or Rome; others were presented to the Roman provinces to perish in the arenas. Those Jews under seventeen were sold. โฃโฃ Call me antisemitic or call me politically astute, but, politics aside, todayโ€™s Israel bears no resemblance to the Israel that was destroyed along with Solomonโ€™s temple by the Babylonians in 607 BC, and not to the Israel that was destroyed along with Herodโ€™s temple by the Romans in 70 AD, which led to the diaspora.โฃโฃ Let me comment a little on the Israel that rejected Godโ€™s Messiah, and both conspired to and did put him to death when he was a human, and was accordingly rejected by God so that its house was left desolate and destroyed as distinguished from the Jewish state that became such in 1948.โฃ โฃ Rom. 9:6 says: โ€œNot all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.โ€ The โ€œIsrael of Godโ€ (Gal. 6:16) are Christians, but the Israelis are ๐ง๐จ๐ญ Christians. Christianity has not a thing to do with Judaism or the Jewish state.โฃ โฃโฃโฃ The Jews had inhabited Palestine in the region where the Roman provinces of Galilee, Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Joppa and Perea were located, but after 70 AD they were dispersed from its ancestral homeland to Africa, Asia and Europe, and suffered persecution in Germany, Russia, Eastern Europe, Dhimmitude, the Spanish Inquisition, and were scapegoated for the Black Plague and the Black Death., just as foretold at Deut. 28:49-52. So whether Israel has a right to exist is a non-issue when there is no question that Israel exists in the Middle East just as the US, Germany, France and China exist.โฃโฃโฃ
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[4/5] ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ฎ๐œ๐ค๐ž๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ž๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐ฉ๐จ๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ข๐ญ. โ€œ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐œ๐š๐ญ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐š๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐  ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฉ๐ž๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ž๐ฌ, ๐Ÿ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐จ๐ง๐ž ๐ž๐ง๐ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ๐ก ๐ญ๐จ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ซ๐ฏ๐ž ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ ๐จ๐๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฐ๐จ๐จ๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐จ๐ง๐ž, ๐ฐ๐ก๐ข๐œ๐ก ๐ง๐ž๐ข๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ง๐จ๐ซ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ค๐ง๐จ๐ฐ๐ง. ๐€๐ง๐ ๐š๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ฌ๐ž ๐ง๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐Ÿ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ง๐จ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ข๐ญ๐ž, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ง๐จ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐š๐œ๐ž ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฅ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐จ๐ญ, ๐›๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ ๐ข๐ฏ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐š ๐ญ๐ซ๐ž๐ฆ๐›๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ก๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ข๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ž๐ฒ๐ž๐ฌ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š ๐ฅ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฌ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ. ๐˜๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐š๐ง๐  ๐ข๐ง ๐๐จ๐ฎ๐›๐ญ ๐›๐ž๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ๐ž ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ. ๐๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐๐š๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ž ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ก๐š๐ฏ๐ž ๐ง๐จ ๐š๐ฌ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ซ๐š๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ฅ๐ข๐Ÿ๐ž. ๐ˆ๐ง ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ, โ€˜๐ˆ๐Ÿ ๐จ๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ !โ€™ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐š๐ญ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐š๐ฒ, โ€˜๐ˆ๐Ÿ ๐จ๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ž๐ซ๐ž ๐ฆ๐จ๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ง๐ !โ€™ ๐›๐ž๐œ๐š๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ก๐ž๐š๐ซ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐Ÿ๐ž๐ž๐ฅ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ก๐ญ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐ž๐ฒ๐ž๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ก๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ฌ๐ž๐ž. ๐€๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‹๐Ž๐‘๐ƒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐›๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐›๐š๐œ๐ค ๐ข๐ง ๐ฌ๐ก๐ข๐ฉ๐ฌ ๐ญ๐จ ๐„๐ ๐ฒ๐ฉ๐ญ, ๐š ๐ฃ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ๐ง๐ž๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ˆ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ž๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ง๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ ๐ฆ๐š๐ค๐ž ๐š๐ ๐š๐ข๐ง; 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@IamJehovah99999 @Biblicalman ๐˜ˆ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ, ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜๐˜ด๐˜ข๐˜ข๐˜ค ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ.๐Ÿซต ๐ˆ๐… these people you mention were, in fact, resurrected, they would be living somewhere on this planet. Where are they?
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I am Jehovah.Ishi, Father of spirits,
@wpcguy @Biblicalman โš ๏ธ๏ผˆthere is one thing you must not forget:Jehovah sees a day as a thousand years,and a thousand years as a day.๏ผ‰ Adam, Eve, and Isaac have all been resurrected.๐Ÿซต I, Jehovah, created the heavens and the earth by my word; and my word is the Holy Spirit.โœ๏ธ
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I am Jehovah.Ishi, Father of spirits,@IamJehovah99999

@OneDangWolfPack @Biblicalman ๐Ÿ˜Œโœ๏ธ Those who despise me, the Lord God, will only face a great flood and an unquenchable fire. ๏ผˆthere is one thing you must not forget:Jehovah sees a day as a thousand years,and a thousand years as a day.๏ผ‰๐Ÿซต

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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't a tree. Ezekiel 31 tells you what it was. And it changes everything you think happened in the Garden of Eden... .
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๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜จ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ญ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ข ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ. You are mistaken; this fruit tree was a tree that God had designated to Adam as belonging to him, and when Adam violated what God had commanded concerning the eating of the fruit on this tree, he rebelled against divine law, which action was a sin as serious as violating Godโ€™s command against adultery, murder or any other divine law. Because violation of divine law is a challenge to Godโ€™s right to rule and is punishable by death, Adam forfeited his life and died, and because Adam could not pass on to us, his offspring, a right that Adam forfeited, we were conceived in sin and so we will die.
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๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ด 3:15 โ€” ๐˜Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜š๐˜Œ๐˜Œ๐˜‹ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜š๐˜Œ๐˜Œ๐˜‹. ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ'๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ. ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ถ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ช๐˜ต. โ€œEveโ€™s seedโ€? No. What you have guessed is incorrect and it is clear to me that you do not have Godโ€™s spirit. Put another way, you are someone that lacks the spiritual comprehension necessary to understand the prophecy at Genesis. 3:15. The โ€œwomanโ€ to which God refers at Gen. 3:15 wasnโ€™t Eve. The โ€œwomanโ€ is heavenly; it is Godโ€™s โ€œwomanโ€ that gave birth to her โ€œseed,โ€ the male child, the Lord Jesus Christ, Godโ€™s firstborn son, and to the rest of the womanโ€™s seed here on earth, namely, Christโ€™s spiritual brothers in union with him, the ones that โ€œkeep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.โ€ (Col. 1:2; Rev. 12:13, 17) This seed is ๐ง๐จ๐ญ physical. ๐˜š๐˜ฐ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜š๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฏ'๐˜ด ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ? ๐˜Ž๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ด 4 โ€” ๐˜ˆ๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ. ๐˜š๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜›๐˜ž๐˜– ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ. ๐˜–๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต. ๐˜›๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด. ๐˜›๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด. 1 ๐˜‘๐˜ฐ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฏ 3:12 โ€” "๐˜•๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜Š๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜–๐˜ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ." No; Satanโ€™s โ€œseedโ€ is a reference to โ€œthe children of the devil,โ€ those that serve Satanโ€™s interests, who are โ€œnot of God, โ€ฆ [and do] not love [Jesusโ€™ brothers],โ€ that is to say, fellow Christians here on earth. (John 8:44; 1 John 3:10)
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The Biblical Man | 4 AM Field Notes
Genesis 3:15 โ€” God tells the serpent there will be enmity between his SEED and her SEED. Eve's seed is physical. Every human came from it. So what is Satan's seed? Genesis 4 โ€” Adam knew Eve once. She bare TWO children. One act. Two sons. Two fathers. 1 John 3:12 โ€” "Not as Cain, who was OF that wicked one."
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@m81687077: ๐˜ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ฃ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ, ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜‰๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜›๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฆ๐˜น๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ. "A Trinitarian explanation of reality"? You clearly do not understand the Bible to support any explanation of the Trinity doctrine "of reality." As far as you understand, where specifically can such a "Trinitarian explanation of reality" be found in the Bible?
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@wpcguy @RevesJM Mine was not actually a question about your or anyone else's ability to explain it, but rather the perspective itself. You cited biblical evidence, but as far as I understand, the Bible supports a Trinitarian explanation of reality. Do you disagree?
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Problems for the trinity that trinitarians claim are โ€œnot problemsโ€. Day 17.
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[1/2] @Zephyrgold58: ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. ๐˜๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ง๐˜ฆโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜ซ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ. ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ง, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต'๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ..... @CricketSurfing: ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ. ๐˜๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ญ. To what โ€œobserved principles of natureโ€ do you refer? What does the fossil record or comparative anatomy prove about evolution? You say survival and replication to be โ€œa primary driving factor โ€ฆ [as to] why and how species evolve over time.โ€ You say that the reason species evolve over time is because of the survival of what in nature and the replication of what in nature? Now @CricketSurfing describes evolution as โ€œa well established theory based on evidence,โ€ which is defined generally as allele [gene] frequencies that changes over time by natural selection driven by common descent with modification. It is said that it is by means of such changes in these allele frequencies in a population over time that new species emerge. However, no one has ๐„๐•๐„๐‘ observed natural selection cause one species to evolve into another species. However, evolution doesnโ€™t happen in individuals nor does it occur across populations either. For example, no one has EVER observed evidence of a whale transitioning into a hippopotamus across populations. As a scientist, I have a problem with your statement that the ToE is โ€œbased on evidenceโ€ since no one has ever observed such occurring. ๐๐Ž ๐Ž๐๐„. @Zephyrgold58 makes mention of random mutations based on โ€œobserved principles of natureโ€ in his post, and yet while botanist Hugo de Vries has explained the arrival of small, inheritable changes in life forms by mutations, science has discovered that these rare mutations are harmful, not helpful, and that they could possibly account for a degeneration or deterioration, a devolution ๐๐จ๐ฐ๐ง๐ฐ๐š๐ซ๐, but not an evolution ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ๐. Once @Zephyrgold58 has told me what โ€œprinciples of natureโ€ have been ๐จ๐›๐ฌ๐ž๐ซ๐ฏ๐ž๐, I can explain how everything in the universe will decay into simpler and simpler states until what is termed "thermodynamic equilibrium" is finally reached.โฃโฃ In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A systemโ€™s entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is.โฃโฃโฃ I would also explain how the ToE ignores this fundamental law of physics and totally contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, and says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged.โฃโฃโฃ As a scientist, I cannot ignore the second law, which debunks the ToE. [contโ€™d]

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Evolution is based on observed principles of nature, found fossils and comparative anatomy. Things like survival and replication are a primary driving factor of why and how species evolve over time, and random mutations focused around the idea of better adapting to the world around it based on these principles. It really is not on imagining what nature is it is the study of lifeโ€™s journey. If you want to talk about belief, let's talk about Christianity.....
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Evolution is a belief system predicated on blind faith.
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[2/2] Furthermore, no โฃevidence exists proving that mutations cause new information to be added to the genome of a new species instead of a loss of information that produces the death of an organism. For example, there exists no ๐ž๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ข๐ซ๐ข๐œ๐š๐ฅ evidence that a hippopotamus was created by natural selection based on the mutations in some environment. Natural selection doesnโ€™t create anything; it is just a metaphor. Iโ€™m a learned Bible scholar, an expert on what the Bible teaches about Christianity, so it would be best if both of โ€œyou guysโ€ would just focus on the things you can prove and not pretend to have an understanding of the Bible when discussing the ToE, which has nothing to do with Christianity or with creation. Frankly, I have no idea why it was โ€œyou guysโ€ even brought these things up.
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[1/2] @Zephyrgold58: ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ. ๐˜›๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ง๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ด ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ค๐˜ถ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ๐˜ข๐˜ฑ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด. ๐˜๐˜ต ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜จ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฏ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ถ๐˜ฅ๐˜บ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ง๐˜ฆโ€™๐˜ด ๐˜ซ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ. ๐˜๐˜ง ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ต ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ฆ๐˜ง, ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต'๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฌ ๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ต ๐˜Š๐˜ฉ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ต๐˜บ..... @CricketSurfing: ๐˜Œ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ. ๐˜๐˜ต ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ด๐˜ฆ๐˜ด ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ค๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ ๐˜ ๐˜ข๐˜ฎ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ต ๐˜ช๐˜ด ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ญ. To what โ€œobserved principles of natureโ€ do you refer? What does the fossil record or comparative anatomy prove about evolution? You say survival and replication to be โ€œa primary driving factor โ€ฆ [as to] why and how species evolve over time.โ€ You say that the reason species evolve over time is because of the survival of what in nature and the replication of what in nature? Now @CricketSurfing describes evolution as โ€œa well established theory based on evidence,โ€ which is defined generally as allele [gene] frequencies that changes over time by natural selection driven by common descent with modification. It is said that it is by means of such changes in these allele frequencies in a population over time that new species emerge. However, no one has ๐„๐•๐„๐‘ observed natural selection cause one species to evolve into another species. However, evolution doesnโ€™t happen in individuals nor does it occur across populations either. For example, no one has EVER observed evidence of a whale transitioning into a hippopotamus across populations. As a scientist, I have a problem with your statement that the ToE is โ€œbased on evidenceโ€ since no one has ever observed such occurring. ๐๐Ž ๐Ž๐๐„. @Zephyrgold58 makes mention of random mutations based on โ€œobserved principles of natureโ€ in his post, and yet while botanist Hugo de Vries has explained the arrival of small, inheritable changes in life forms by mutations, science has discovered that these rare mutations are harmful, not helpful, and that they could possibly account for a degeneration or deterioration, a devolution ๐๐จ๐ฐ๐ง๐ฐ๐š๐ซ๐, but not an evolution ๐ฎ๐ฉ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ๐. Once @Zephyrgold58 has told me what โ€œprinciples of natureโ€ have been ๐จ๐›๐ฌ๐ž๐ซ๐ฏ๐ž๐, I can explain how everything in the universe will decay into simpler and simpler states until what is termed "thermodynamic equilibrium" is finally reached.โฃโฃ In physics, entropy is the measure of the disorder of a system. A systemโ€™s entropy increases as it moves from an ordered, organized, and planned state towards a more disordered, dispersed, and unplanned one. The more disorder there is in a system, the higher its entropy is.โฃโฃโฃ I would also explain how the ToE ignores this fundamental law of physics and totally contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, and says that disordered, dispersed, and lifeless atoms and molecules spontaneously came together over time, in a particular order, to form extremely complex molecules such as proteins, DNA, and RNA, whereupon millions of different living species with even more complex structures gradually emerged.โฃโฃโฃ As a scientist, I cannot ignore the second law, which debunks the ToE. [contโ€™d]
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@m81687077 @RevesJM @m81687077: ๐˜๐˜ด ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜บ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ด๐˜ฑ๐˜ฆ๐˜ค๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ค๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฆ๐˜น๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ง๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ? If I can't, then I'm sure someone can.
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Okay, thanks for your reply. Is your perspective the type of perspective that can be explained and defended? Blessings
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@m81687077: ๐˜ž๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ง๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต? I assume you are referring to this statement: [Y]ou should not view Trinitarians as Christians, for unlike Trinitarianism, Christianity does ๐ง๐จ๐ญ have a triune god, ergo ๐“๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ ๐š๐ซ๐ž ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐‚๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐š๐ง๐ฌ. I am an ordained Christian minister for 40+ years. You are still learning, but I am [learned] Bible scholar. You get to tell me what ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ a Christian is; I get to tell you what a Christian is. You get to tell me what ๐˜บ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ฌ a Trinitarian is; I get to tell you what a Trinitarian is. I donโ€™t need more evidence. My very statement is ๐ญ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฆ๐จ๐ง๐ข๐š๐ฅ evidence.
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