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@DFWFishtail

Challenge the flaws of Islam, radical socialism, and all things totalitarian consistently coming from both of them. 🇺🇸

United States Inscrit le Kasım 2022
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Adam Kinzinger (Slava Ukraini) 🇺🇸🇺🇦
Ok. Here we go Ari, you know better than this. You’ve been inside the room. You understand how alliances actually function, not just how they’re talked about on cable hits. NATO was never meaningfully consulted here. Not brought in as partners. Not treated as allies whose buy-in mattered. Instead, for years they’ve been publicly dressed down, threatened, and told outright that they’re on their own. When the President of the United States repeatedly questions the value of the alliance, floats walking away from Article 5, and even talks about things like taking Greenland, you don’t get trust—you get hedging. So now there’s a major war raging on their own continent, and those countries are being asked to stretch even thinner for an operation they had no role in shaping, led by a president who has made clear he views alliances as transactional at best and disposable at worst. Of course they’re cautious. Of course they’re calculating risk. And yes—of course they’re worried they’ll be left holding the bag when Trump inevitably changes course or loses interest. That’s not freeloading. That’s rational behavior in response to uncertainty we created. You’re right that some European countries have underinvested in defense. That’s been true for years, and many have started correcting it—especially since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But let’s not pretend this moment exists in a vacuum. Trust is cumulative. And it’s been burned down repeatedly. And the idea that this is about “refusing to help the U.S. rid the world of Iran” ignores the bigger strategic picture. European nations are dealing with an active land war, energy insecurity, domestic political strain, and the very real possibility that U.S. commitments to NATO could evaporate overnight. You don’t expand commitments under those conditions—you consolidate. You know this, Ari. And I think you know why this argument doesn’t hold up. But somewhere along the way, you traded that understanding for applause lines. You’ve sold yourself at the altar of popularity instead of leveling with people about the complexity here. Alliances aren’t maintained by ultimatums and public humiliation. They’re maintained by trust, consultation, and consistency. We’ve offered too little of that lately—and now we’re seeing the result.
Ari Fleischer@AriFleischer

My message here clearly struck a nerve. A few friends from when I was press secretary, domestically and abroad, don’t like what I said. Instead of seeing how Western European nations must change, they just want to attack Trump. The reason it struck a nerve is because they recognize that this time NATO nations are being held to account. They know they’ve come up short for decades and by denying us overflight rights, they’ve gone too far. Americans are fed up, especially with France and Spain. Trump won’t stand for it and they know it. They now fear the consequences of their inaction. The UK, unlike its days under Thatcher or Blair, is wishy-washy. They’ve often been a good allie, but this time they want to sit it out and have it both ways. We can use their bases, but only for limited operations. At least the UK spends real money on defense. France, Spain, and Italy are another story. So too is Canada. None of these four contribute seriously to NATO. They’re laggards, trying to get away with it. Spain and France force our pilots to fly thousands of miles out of the way (I thought they didn’t like carbon footprints) en route to Iran. Eastern Europe is a different story. They spend more on defense and they understand power. They lived under Soviet domination and recognize weakness when they see it. They won’t be weak. Western European governments, especially France, are good at issuing communiques and statements. They enjoy hosting conferences. They love to ponder deeply. Getting them to act is another matter, unless it’s to purchase Russian LNG, which they still do. The world is changing. Out of this war will come a new group of younger nations that understand real power and the importance of strength. The UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Israel and Eastern Europe will emerge stronger than ever. Western Europe will continue to fall behind. As for Trump, you don’t have to like him. He often says things none of his predecessors would say. But don’t underestimate the fact that US taxpayers are fed up with nations that don’t pull their weight, and then force our pilots to take risks and longer flights so we can rid the world from the menace that is Iran. Today’s Western European leaders would rather mollify Iran and pay them ransoms (trade) than support the US. Things are different today. We all know it. The UK, France, Spain and Italy (despite its Prime Minister) have earned the consequences that will unfold. They could have and should have supported us. Not as a NATO alliance. But as individual free nations. All we wanted was overflight rights and full access to airfields. They’ve made their choices. Soon, they’ll see the results.

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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@Dave_J_Bryant @AdamKinzinger Stick to it. Make things that much clearer. Europeans are very smart. Just ask them, lol. Only people smarter than Europeans are the Islamic immigrants.
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Dave Bryant@Dave_J_Bryant·
@DFWFishtail @AdamKinzinger Allies get consulted and are involved in planning and can set limits. Allies do not alway participate in every war together. By allowing overflight and/or use of bases they would be participating. Since the creation of NATO the US was probably the first to hinder an ally.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@JesperSode @_Pepa_Zdepa_ @AdamKinzinger Oh, you want the Iranian threat to continue against the Iranians, their neighbors, Israel, Europe and the US? Dumb as rocks. Looks like we could work w Israel and the other ME countries Iran has attacked just fine. Plus, we don't want to be around when Russia attacks anyways.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@shmuckula @ThorCarlskov @AdamKinzinger Oh no, Islamic militant regime is gonna keep trying to kill us. Now they are really fanatical. What BS. Their leadership amd their replacements are dead men walking.
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Count Shmuckula@shmuckula·
@DFWFishtail @ThorCarlskov @AdamKinzinger Iran is going to go nuclear much sooner because of this war. Trump replaced an old unpopular semi-moderate (on the nuclear issue) Ayatollah with an angrier and younger Ayatollah who’s going to stop at nothing to go nuclear now.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@Dave_J_Bryant @AdamKinzinger Not an Article 5 situation. Just an ally one. They had a choice, please. They chose to close them instead of leaving in place, duh. Just word games. We don't need to project force anymore IMO.
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Dave Bryant@Dave_J_Bryant·
@DFWFishtail @AdamKinzinger The are no longer there for defence. The purpose of the US base is to project force. If you don't want to take part in a war that you weren't consulted about in advance you have no choice but to deny the use of airspace. Nothing to do with NATO, article 5 has not been called.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@shmuckula @ThorCarlskov @AdamKinzinger Nah, nothing reckless or illegal about attacking Iranian govt. It would have been reckless to let Iran build nuclear weapons that can reach Israel, Europe and Americans in both. As far as want America to be punished by Europe, on that one you can fuck, the fuck off.
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Count Shmuckula@shmuckula·
@DFWFishtail @ThorCarlskov @AdamKinzinger Just denying airspace for a reckless and illegal oil war is actually a polite response to us threatening war with NATO, and inviting Putin to invade more of Europe. They’d be justified in expelling our bases, embargoing our companies, dumping our debt, and ditching the dollar.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@Normanknight27 @AmbJohnBolton Airspace wasn't about Article 5, duh. Especially when we are keeping Iran from having nuclear missiles that would reach Europe. Poor choice to get back at Trump by blocking US soldiers in combat. Cant believe it with all that education you must have.
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il Siciliano@Normanknight27·
@DFWFishtail @AmbJohnBolton Article 5 doesn't apply. That's the problem with uneducated people who don't know anything about the Alliance chart, international law & multinational operations.
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John Bolton@AmbJohnBolton·
Trump clearly erred by not consulting allies before launching joint US-Israeli strikes against Iran. Political support from our key partners wouldn’t have compromised the military operation, no matter what the Isolationists say. telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/04/0…
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Gandalv@Microinteracti1·
I am not sure the American military establishment has fully grasped what Trump has actually done here. So let me spell it out in language even a Pentagon procurement officer can understand. Europe has been buying American weapons at a staggering rate. In 2024 alone, US foreign military sales notifications to European countries hit $76 billion. Four times the European average since 2008.  F-35s, missile systems, air defence, ammunition. All of it American. All of it coming with decades of service contracts, maintenance agreements, spare parts, software updates and training programmes worth hundreds of billions more over their operational lifetimes. Between 2020 and 2024, the United States supplied 64 percent of all European weapons imports.  That is now over. Europe has an $860 billion defence plan, and American contractors are being frozen out. The goal is 80 percent of all military purchases from European factories by 2030.  Airbus. Rheinmetall. KNDS. Saab. Leonardo. BAE Systems. They are about to receive the largest order book in the history of European defence industry. Because Trump made it politically impossible for any European government to keep writing cheques to Washington. Some European governments have discussed worries that the Pentagon could remotely disable American F-35 fighters or impose restrictions on how US weapons can be used.  When your supplier is also threatening to annex your allies, that is not paranoia. That is basic procurement logic. Trump set out to make America great again. He has succeeded magnificently. For Rheinmetall. Gandalv / @Microinteracti1
MAG🔫1775🇺🇸@realMAG1775

100,000 troops in Europe. Zero help on Hormuz. Bring them home now. No more free rides.

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@NaujSeber @AdamKinzinger Spain has historically been one of the lower spenders in NATO as a percentage of GDP (often around 1.2–1.3% until 2025.)
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Nauj Seber@NaujSeber·
I don’t know what the contractual situation is for U.S. bases in other European countries. I know the situation in Spain very well: Spain doesn’t receive a single dollar from the United States in rent or anything else. Zero. Nichts. Rien. Nothing The treaty still in force was one between two allies who shared a common vision of defense strategy. Charging for that would have reduced the relationship to a purely commercial matter. Given the appalling degradation of the United States into a sort of crazed universal bully, the truth is that this treaty should be nullified (it is renewed annually). You can pack your things and go home.
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Clara Belle@Clarabellepip·
@DFWFishtail @AdamKinzinger The US maintains its own bases in Europe because it suits its own interests for intelligence gathering and proximity to adversaries. Leaving NATO would isolate the US and weaken it.
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@NaujSeber @AdamKinzinger Rent? LMAO Ok. Yea, stopping nuclear Iran from happenind and defending Israel from violent religions nut jobs who invaded their country and killed its citizens is crazy. Yep, only thing we agree on is getting the US out of NATO and Europe.
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@LakeRhino Because I listen to what they say they are doing and keep doing. Then I see them doing it. Amazing what social media helps us all learn. Don't even need the news on the telly anymore. I have Muslims in my family. You? Have you learned what they believe? It's not a secret.
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Ryan@LakeRhino·
@DFWFishtail So you just assume a huge increase because of migrants because you are told to
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@Freewor30833853 @McConaghyBen @Microinteracti1 @Rick_G_Warrior Lol, the irony for London. They are voting pedo gangs into office in the UK. We have same problem here in a few cities. Watching Europe's mistakes w Islam has been instructive for us. Difference is we don't get put in jail for free speech against it like they do in the UK...
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@_Pepa_Zdepa_ @AdamKinzinger Yea, it has changed.. about freedom of speech & liberal individual rights. The stuff that really matters. But Starmer? Macron? That dude in Spain? Erodgen in Turkey? They are full of BS. Just like Europe underfunding NATO. Time for US to leave NATO over Iran & airspace.
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Pepa Zdepa@_Pepa_Zdepa_·
@DFWFishtail @AdamKinzinger Europe hasn't changed one bit. Its commitments are growing and resolve getting stronger. It's Trump's admin that has been p*ssing all over the NATO members. The EU is fed up with his lies and simping for dictators like Putin.
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@LakeRhino We aren't knowling letting then walk across our borders anymore. You? Big difference between individual criminal acts and those coordinated and planned and covered up by migrant groups.
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Ryan@LakeRhino·
@DFWFishtail So nobody does so it goes back to Europe has less crime than America
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Fishtail@DFWFishtail·
@bjan9 @AmbJohnBolton Nothing wrong w how we are conducting the Iranian war. Denying airspace to our planes on our bases we use to protect Europe a big mistake. Lots of things are said about POTUS and Americans. Shouldn't have impacted our troops on combat operations vs. a common enemy. Bad PR.
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@DFWFishtail @AmbJohnBolton You must be joking! The US threatens allies territorially 🇬🇱🇩🇰🇨🇦🇪🇺 , threaten to leave NATO and change policies on Iran on a daily basis. You need to behave and fix your White House and support your military - oust Hegseth! We need order, not chaos.
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♏️ 𝓓𝓪𝓻 ♏️
Tyrus on the Will Cain Show had some words 🔥 to share with the Chicago Bulls after waiving Jaden Ivey because of his personal stance on LGBT, Pride Month and his faith. “You would think the NBA is one place a Black man could speak his mind…” Except if he doesn’t agree with woke, apparently. 🤨 Tyrus is spot on here 👇 WATCH! 👀🎥💯
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