TruthDefender1914

Is Hell really a place of eternal torment? What does the Bible actually say? When did the Catholic & Orthodox Churches make it official doctrine? Let’s look at Scripture, early church writings, & history 👇

@Steevo36 @MikeBrownsWorld @BXMMA @CertainSpeaks Lack of definite article*

@Defender1914 @MikeBrownsWorld @BXMMA @CertainSpeaks What indefinite article?

The Trinitarian Delema: P1- Christians must worship and pray exactly as Jesus taught and showed by example — or they commit idolatry by departing from his example. P2- Jesus worshipped and taught worship of the Father alone as the only true God, never a Trinity. Conclusion- Therefore, Christians who worship a Trinity have departed from Jesus’ example, disobeyed his teaching, and fallen into idolatry.

@Steevo36 @MikeBrownsWorld @BXMMA @CertainSpeaks Indefinite article in the second use of “Theos” in John 1:1 begs to differ.

@MikeBrownsWorld @BXMMA @CertainSpeaks John 1 says you're wrong.

@RevesJM Agency

If God created everything by himself, but also, everything came into existence through Jesus, what work did Jesus actually do?

@sneako False

Islam is the infallible truth. Nobody can defeat it. So the world does everything in its power to destroy the believers.

We are Christians for a simple and clear reason: we believe in and worship the one true God of the Bible, Jehovah, and we follow His Son, Jesus Christ. As Christians, we follow the law of the Christ and strive to imitate him in all that we do. We are baptized in the name of Jesus, and we carry out the same preaching work that he and his disciples performed going door to door, reaching people in distant lands, speaking in public settings, writing letters, and sharing the message informally with friends, family, and neighbors. We study the Bible regularly and make every effort to live in harmony with its teachings. We firmly believe that salvation comes only through Jesus Christ he is the one and only way to God. Our beliefs are not based on human philosophy, tradition, or later doctrines, but solely on the Scriptures. A Christian, in our view, is not defined by adherence to doctrines developed centuries later under the influence of human reasoning or philosophy, but by faithfully following the teachings of Christ as found in the Bible. We have no interest in engaging in debates. True Christians are instructed to preach the good news, and where the message is not accepted, we simply move on just as the Scriptures teach. We do not seek to argue, judge, or condemn others. Judgment belongs to Jehovah God and His Son, Jesus Christ, who will determine in due time who are truly faithful.

@Defender1914 @GodLogic_GL I didn’t know you guys claim to be Christians, thats very surprising. I believe godlogic is going live on Friday, would love to hear you have a discussion with him

Jehovah's Witness leaves the JW cult live on today's stream + 16 Jehovah's Witnesses leave the JW cult from one clip where a basic question stumped a JW preacher on the channel?

Your argument would mean that Joseph of Arimathea is God too, since Luke 23:50 calls him a “good and righteous man.” If only God can be called good, then Joseph must also be God in the flesh which is obviously not the case. That shows the flaw in the reasoning. In Mark 10:18, Jesus wasn’t denying that others can be called “good” in a relative sense he was pointing to the fact that God alone is the ultimate standard and source of goodness. Humans can be described as “good” or “righteous,” but only in a limited, imperfect sense, not in the absolute way that applies to God. So the statement doesn’t mean “no one else can ever be called good,” it means no one is good in the same perfect, absolute sense as God.

@praisejah2016 Facts

♦There is a universe between Catholics and reality. The trinity is an idol, the imagination of un-biblical, un-inspired men of old. A thousand biblical verses hold Jehovah as God, one or two verses liken Him and Jesus and the Holy Spirit to knowledge and suddenly an idol is born, and the preceding is now null and void in the mind. The gods of Baal were imaginations, thing added to reality. Jehovah, the Father, likened idol worship to a piece of wood, you use part of it to heat yourself and cook your food, then you stand a stick in the ground and worship it. In the beginning (of everything created after this moment) Jesus was with God. It does not matter what Jesus was, Jesus was with God, not God himself. John 1:2

I think the context helps us 🙂 The question posed by the Jews in John 8:57 is “You are not yet 50 years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” So if you have to chose from 2 options as to which is most likely to be true based on the context and Jesus reply, would you chose: Which is more coherent ? 1. Identity (I AM, God claim) 2. Pre-existence (I have been, age claim)

@Defender1914 @diego_claramunt Prophetic pre-existence elegantly explains all pre-existence talk in the Fourth Gospel, while harmonizing it with the synoptics which (oddly, if you hold to it) don't talk about Jesus literally pre-existing but *do* talk lots about prophecies of the Christ.

"Before Abraham came to be, I'm the one." Which one? Jesus isn't talking in a vacuum. He's referring to the *previous thing* he said (John 8:56), which was a prophetic vision given Abraham (Genesis 12:3, cf. Galatians 3:8) of *the Christ*.

@PracticalTheolo @diego_claramunt I just like busting your chops on pre-existence 😁

@Defender1914 @diego_claramunt Better! But similar problem: completely idiosyncratic treatment of 'ego eimi' in the Fourth Gospel. It's the *third time* it's used in its own clause in John 8 alone, and obviously mirrors usage at 4:26. None of those are simple claims to existence.

@JacksonHarlem 😂

The Bible Reveals ESAU As The First CAUCASIAN❓👶🏻✝️ #BlackBoyAlchemy

@PracticalTheolo @diego_claramunt “I have been”

@diego_claramunt That looks like an English sentence to me, not an ancient Greek one.

What Trinitarians believe is irrelevant to the conversation to be frank and believing in pre-existence isn’t a salvation issue nor does it make you any less Unitarian for believing so. Believing in pre-existence is logical & scripturally backed. It also makes more coherent sense when you look at the entirety of what the Bible teaches. The Bible teaches that Jesus pre-existed so the difference is what we all believe about that pre-existence. Trinitarians believe the son was eternally begotten by the Father, some Unitarians believe Jesus “pre-existed” in Gods foreknowledge and I’ve heard some Unitarians say he pre-existed as the word of God. JW we believe Jesus is Gods firstborn son who was created before the earth and who was used as Gods creative agent. We all believe in pre-existence in some form or another. At the end of the day, the JW position makes more sense logically and it aligns with the Bible. Using reasoning is not Philosophy for the Bible itself tells us to use it in Romans 12:12 it tells us to use our “Power of reason”… the Greek word used here is lo·gi·kosʹ. In this context, it conveys the idea of sacred service rendered in a “logical,” “rational,” or “intelligent,” manner. Using reason and logic doesn’t allow me to believe absurdities that are not true, that’s a gift from God and we should keep using it. It’s that same gift that allows us to reason that the Trinity is false. Why not use the same reasoning for this topic.

@Defender1914 @CertainSpeaks Your charm offensive isn't working, my dear man. ;) And now, just like a Trinitarian, you are sloughing off to a philosophical argument about salvation.

@Defender1914 @CertainSpeaks Thank you for the correction - at 7:34-35 they think it's about location.

Bro you stretching more than Mr. Fantastic on this thread 😑 A+ for effort… but Jesus did pre-exist, and without that, the whole sacrifice loses its depth. If Jesus didn’t exist in heaven before coming to earth, then what is the sacrifice really? It would reduce him to just a human life that started in Mary no prior relationship, no shared history with Jehovah, no real cost beyond a human death. That doesn’t line up with the weight the Bible puts on it. The Scriptures consistently point to something deeper. Jesus speaks about coming from heaven and returning there (John 8:23, 17:5). He had glory “alongside” the Father before the world existed. That shows relationship, not just assignment. So when Jehovah gives his “only-begotten Son” (John 3:16), it’s not symbolic it’s personal. He’s not sending someone who just came into existence; He’s giving someone who had been with Him, close to Him, from before the world began. That’s what makes the sacrifice powerful. It wasn’t just the death of a man it was the giving of His Son, someone He loved, someone who had been by His side long before the earth was even here. Anything less starts to make the sacrifice feel impersonal… and that just doesn’t fit the tone of Scripture at all.

@Defender1914 @CertainSpeaks Spoken like a Trinitarian! ;) As usual, context helps us with Colossians 1:16: x.com/PracticalTheol…

They didn’t even understand what Jesus meant he had to explain it. When he said, “Where I am going you cannot come,” they thought he was talking about killing himself. So he clarifies it plainly: he’s from above, and they’re from below. He repeats it and draws a clear line he is not from this world. That’s the key difference is the use of the word “from,” not just “no part of.” He’s not just saying he doesn’t participate in the world he’s saying his origin is different. This isn’t a parable or some deep mystery. It’s a straightforward statement, and the contrast he makes is obvious.

"John 17:14–18 is not about a physical location" Bing bing bing! Correct. Being 'of the world' is not about location. I'm not sure how your treatment of John 8 does anything other than assume what John 17 strongly suggests is wrong. At John 8, the clueless onlookers think he's talking about *location*. Of course he's not.

JWs are the original Unitarians. You'll run into other Unitarians who don't believe Jesus pre-existed as a person in Heaven before his life on earth. But these unfortunately ignore scripture and even early "Church Father" writings. All of which declare Christ's pre-existance.

John 17:14–18 is not about a physical location it’s about not being part of the world in conduct and identity. By contrast, John 8:14, 22–23 is a different context. There, Jesus is clearly speaking about his origin and destination, heaven. Jesus says in John 8:14 that he knows where he came from and where he is going, something his listeners do not understand. Then in verses 22–23, he contrasts them directly: they are from below (the earthly realm), while he is from above and not of this world. So in John 17, “not of the world” refers to separation in lifestyle and values, while in John 8 it refers to Jesus’ heavenly origin and destiny.

@Defender1914 @CertainSpeaks No, I'm referring to John 17:14-18, which starts with: "For they are not of the world, *just as* I am not of the world."

How can he be “from” the realms above if he never pre-existed there ? How can he say “I am not from this world” if he is just a human from earth ? How could he have “descended” from heaven if he’s never lived there to begin with ? How could he have Glory “along side the Father before the world was” if he was just a foreordained thought in Gods mind not an actual living person along side the Father ? There are alot of unanswered questions that can’t be satisfied if you go with the Jesus didn’t pre-exist position.

I’m referring to John 8:23 — “He went on to say to them: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above. You are from this world; I am not from this world.” You’re referring to John 18:36 where Jesus says “My Kingdom is no part of this world” that is a huge difference in context. One verse Jesus is saying he’s literally not from earth, another one Jesus is saying his kingdom is no part of this world.. When Jesus says “I am not from this world” I think that statement is pretty clear… If I told you “Anthony, you can’t come with me where I’m going because I’m from New York and you’re from Florida, I’m from up north your from down south” you wouldn’t take it to mean anything other than what I said. So what is the hidden meaning behind Jesus plainly saying “I’m not from this world” or “I’m from the realms above you’re from the realms below” ?

@WatchmanTitus2 @Dom1968Juan Jehovahs witnesses are the only true religion on that list, also it’s not us that teaches that it’s the Bible. Perhaps you should read it ?

Lets take a look at all the False Religions that Satan has deceived into taking away the Godhood of Jesus Christ! Interesting set of partners all antichrists! Islam: Reveres Jesus as a major prophet and the Messiah but not divine or the Son of God. Jehovah's Witnesses: Believe Jesus is the first creation of God (Michael the Archangel) and separate from God. Mormonism (Latter-day Saints):View God the Father and Jesus as separate beings, with Jesus being the Son, but not the same entity as the Father. Judaism: Does not accept Jesus as divine, the Messiah, or the Son of God. Unitarian Universalists: Teach that Jesus was a great moral teacher, not God. Christian Science: Views Jesus as the Son of God and a teacher, but not God Himself. Gnosticism: Often view Jesus as a divine messenger, but his humanity and divinity were distinct, sometimes viewing him as a lesser emanated being Hinduism: regard Jesus as a divine or holy figure, though not as the "one true God" in the exclusive Christian sense

Trinitarian god: "One of us will go down and incarnate as a human so we don't fail like we did with Adam" Satan: "cool, this'll help me capture the masses by thier emotions, that God died for them 🤣🤣" Trinitarian god: 🤫 keep it down.