Falling Up

@Bar_tolmi @drrjpeterson I’m not debating. I think the evidence to him having relationships with multiple women behind Emma’s back is well documented. I can’t get on board with a God who would endorse this. Either from JS or BY.

@FaithFallingUp @drrjpeterson Whether or not Joseph was successful or not is another matter. But Yes, I think BY brought in polygamy with D&C section 132.

@Bar_tolmi @drrjpeterson Curious what your thoughts on Joseph Smith are? Polygamy or no?

@FreeSparrowLife @stackerco I can’t attend church, or listen to conference without this being the main takeaway. The hijacking and monopoly of Jesus = LDS. Would be more impactful if they just stilled at Jesus. And not tie to covenant, checklists, conditional blessings.

@stackerco All the mentions of Jesus were great… the realization of what they are really saying “you can only access Jesus through us, to get to back to God”, is disheartening. It pains me to see my children absorb this message but keeping the marriage in tact is priority.

General Conference April 2026 in a sentence: 👉To follow Jesus you must follow LDS prophets and make & keep LDS covenants. “As you follow the teachings of the servants of the Lord, you can look to God and live.” -Dallin H Oaks

@Bar_tolmi @drrjpeterson Interesting. So you believe he was an adulterer, and then BY turned it into a “commandment vis 132?”

@FaithFallingUp @drrjpeterson He brought in sealings to women and was a womanizer, but polygamy probably comes from Brigham Young and his mission by the Cochranites.

@stackerco @Latterdaytruth But if one truly follows Jesus, then that means you will embrace Mormonism? The good, bad, and ugly?

@Latterdaytruth And then to follow Jesus is to he Mormon.

Jesus is the center of Mormonism

@John_Stone_ @stackerco Mark 9:24 is my mantra and honest pleading to help give peace, hope and faith to my soul.

@stackerco As someone who left Mormonism and spent some years as an atheist/agnostic, I can relate. As an Orthodox Christian now, I can still relate. A man who asked Jesus to heal his child said: “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief.” That is the sincere prayer of every honest Christian.

This ex pastor hit the nail on the head. Easter and General Conference were both central to me, brought me hope, spirituality and fueled me. But yesterday both were empty and frustrated me. It’s a new stage of life. Or I am just “past feeling” and am in the Devil’s chains…

@drrjpeterson I appreciate the honesty. I am a supporter of original section 101.

The totally contrived origin of section 132 in the Mormon Doctrine and Covenants (Plural marriage AKA polygamy). "The original copy of this revelation was burnt up; William Clayton was the man who wrote it from the mouth of the prophet. In the meantime, it was in bishop Whitney's possession. He wished the privilege to copy it, which brother Joseph granted. Sister Emma burnt the original. The reason I mention this, is, because that the people who did know of the Revelation, suppose it was not now in existence. This Revelation has been in my possession many years; and who has known it? None but those who should know it. I keep a patent lock on my desk, and there does not anything leak out that should not." -Brigham Young, Deseret News Extra [Salt Lake City], September 14, 1852, pp. 24, 25.

@latterdayjoy @sister_slay Fair.

@FaithFallingUp @sister_slay Not all those. My husband and I have faithfully paid tithing our whole marriage, we have had great financial struggles. I am not hurt by @sister_slay's tesimony. I have my own testimony of tithing.

For 6 months I wasn’t paying tithing because I felt like we weren’t making ends meet. Then, after hearing someone bear their testimony about it in Relief Society, I decided to give it another try. After just two tithing offerings, demand for my business picked up out of nowhere. It’s so overwhelming. I’ve had to raise my prices.

@FaithCrisis24 Me too. Hard to trust that.

@FaithFallingUp your first line just resonates so much with me, that was a big thing for me to over come.

I paid tithing most of my life. Stopped—and soon after got a promotion 🤷🏻‍♂️. Not saying they’re connected, just that money doesn’t track neatly with obedience. If you want to pay, do it—but good and bad happen either way. That’s where prosperity gospel logic bothers me.

@FaithCrisis24 The “monopoly” on happiness is a misnomer and so judgy. I’m more charitable, generous, and giving with my $$ since I stopped paying to the church. I’ve also been able to pay for unforeseen expenses I wouldn’t otherwise had I paid tithing. (Knocks on wood)

More broadly, this is something that troubles me. So many church stories are about how people who step away or aren’t fully obedient struggle. But in reality, you can leave, go inactive or stop following the Church rules and still be a good person and have a good life.

@CultWisDumb @Bar_tolmi Missed: Covenant Path!!!

The General Conference script has been leaked.

@josh_a_scott Tell me more. This aligns with others I’ve read. Rohr etc.

God did not demand or require Jesus’s death. Rome did. The cross is not about Divine wrath; it’s about human wrath and the way Divine Love responds to it. #goodfriday #jesuschrist #holyweek

@stackerco @sister_slay This is damaging and hurtful for all those that don’t see the same results. I know many who have struggled and haven’t seen the payoff. “Next life” or “not all blessings are temporal” they say.

@sister_slay So now it’s a cosmic vending machine prosperity gospel …

Example A. x.com/clarkg_gilbert… So, come home to Jesus = LDS. Doubt= bad, come back to Jesus. See the issue? No wonder mainstream Christians have issues with us.

@BiblicalBeauty This is cool.

Oxford professor John Lennox on testing the reality of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ: "Now, my final point is this. I'm a scientist of sorts, and people say to me, 'Come on. You can't believe this stuff.' Because in science and practical science you do experiments. You test your hypothesis. Christianity is not testable. Isn't it? Isn't it? You see, the difference between the two last things I read were the difference between seeing something, those grave cloths, and working out an intellectual conclusion that something utterly remarkable has happened. That's not quite the same thing as meeting the risen Jesus. And you see, ladies and gentlemen, if it is true that Jesus rose from the dead, then He's still alive, and it's possible to meet Him. Now, you can do an experiment, and it's this—this Jesus who claims to be risen tells us that if we're prepared to trust Him, repent of the mess we've made of our own lives, and the lives of other people, and we're prepared to receive Him as Lord and Controller of life as the risen Son of God, then He will give us forgiveness. Does the word forgiveness mean anything to you? He'll give us new life and a new power... Now, ladies and gentlemen, this is the test...When you see people with narcotic or alcohol dependence, and they've no food to put on the table in front of their children, and you meet them then a year later, and something has happened. You say, 'What's happened to you?' and they say something like, 'Well, I met Jesus,' or 'I became a Christian,' or they'll put it different ways. When you see that again and again, you add two and two to get four. I wouldn't sit here for a nanosecond if I didn't believe that not only is the resurrection of Jesus intellectually credible, but I believe it's existentially credible because the center part of my life and that of my wife and family is to walk with Him from day to day. Now, that may sound absolute jargon and mumbo-jumbo to you, but we're living in a universe where we discover that we are persons, and every analogy we know tells us that our origin cannot be sub-personal. It's supra-personal. And if we enjoy human friendship, what a magnificent thing it is if God makes a way where we can through faith in Christ become His sons and daughters and enjoy the biggest friendship and the most exciting friendship in the universe, and that is friendship with the risen Christ."

@stackerco Didn’t Swedenborg have 3 levels of heaven? Even called them Celestial, and another close to Telestial.

Baptism for the dead, multiple levels of heaven, and infinite regress of Gods are the best innovative ideas from Joseph Smith to improve Christianity. IMO.

@Bar_tolmi So true. Even responses to this post proves the very thing you stated. Wild.

Debating Latter-day Saints on X has got to be one of the most circular experiences available. You can't appeal to facts, you can't appeal to logic, Christian history or even to the New Testament. And throw out common sense. If you have a different opinion you are "in the dark", "sinful", didn't "read the Book of Mormon" with "real intent", or "prayed wrong". There is no satisfying the arbitrary demands in which the LDS church is always the right answer.

@bobsaget2018 @Larsen1T It’s classless, dehumanizing, unintelligent and a derogatory slur. Do better. It’s 2026. Get outside your bubble. SpecialOlympics.org/spread-the-word

@FaithFallingUp @Larsen1T I am a retard doesn't hurt my feelings 🤷

I’m pretty much past deconstructing LDS theology. The biggest frustration I have while still attending church is the hijacking of Jesus to mean LDS. What’s unique isn’t often “good”. What is good isn’t often “unique”. But members are convinced their version is the only way.

@stackerco Another plug for Brian McLaren. He talks about this.

The most unhappy age is 47.2. So if you engage with me. Just remember, I’m in full on depressive, salty mood right now and some of my opinions should be disregarded.