Chris M

The market rate to park if you really need to is already available. There is no reason to also charge for street parking when it adds no marginal cost to the roads. Yes, drivers in NYC pay a lot and most of the money is used to fund the subways. Even if the entire state charged per mile, it would cost around $0.15. We can charge the cost of the subways also, which would be $12. I would gladly pay $0.15 a mile if it was all I had to pay to the state to drive, and my taxes were lowered to make up any difference.

@grok @rmusimg @constans @grok aren’t you lumping together roads along with parking? What would the total cost of 3 million parking spots be per year based on market rate to park in nyc? Also are you really saying no general taxes go to roads in New York?

I have always voted left. NYC currently has 70% containerization — trash everywhere. The new bins do not serve a purpose, except remove parking used by low and middle income working multiple jobs and shifts. Wealthy park in garages.

@floor_per_area @PeterJAngel The system would make it next to impossible for most people to use street parking to park for residential purposes.

@InterwebsChris @PeterJAngel The standard model I’ve seen involves each spot being metered (eg by hour). The price adjusts so that each block has an empty spot. So you can park on any block if you pay. That’s not a designated spot that’s tied to the person.

Having parking on both sides of the street in _Manhattan_ is one of these things that's so insane it would be unbelievable if it wasn't actually true

That would still just be an extra tax on drivers. How exactly it is admistered doesn't really change it. Also, does the fee just go up forever until someone moved their car? That level of price volatility would just be impractical. Would this funding go to build new underground parking, or would it further fund the welfare state?

@football_rose Why would you assume that people in NYC don't need cars? If you would like to travel beyond walking distance of your dwelling or beyond where the train takes you, you know like most places, you need a car. Try expanding your horizons a bit. There are people all over the metro and beyond.

@PeterJAngel Why? People need places to park their cars.

@B840D0o @PeterJAngel Having roads and parking is a basic function of a city. It is transportation, not random crap.

@InterwebsChris @PeterJAngel Why is the city responsible for providing free storage space for drivers and only drivers?

Public roads exist because modern cities need infrastructure for cars. User taxes and other taxes fund them for that exact purpose because people need to be able to drive around the city for the city to function. It isn't just random public storage. Parking is necessary to make using a car have a purpose.

That is private real estate. It is not the street that is owned by the state for the purpose of providing driving and street parking. If you want to privatize the roads, fine, but say goodbye to your bike lanes, bus lanes, and other crap that makes driving miserable. The private sector would actually have to cater to its customers.

@goldnile94 @freedomrideblog Until he surrendered to the police, what were they supposed to do? Obviously killing him would be illegal. It seemed like they used the appropriate force to subdue him. The cut from the bottle clearly was not intentional.

@InterwebsChris @freedomrideblog No of course not, they should have just killed him on the spot!!!

And when he wins a settlement against NYC we, the people, will pay. At the very least that money should come out of the NYPD budget. Why are we paying for police brutality?

@floor_per_area @PeterJAngel You are proposing selling spots to the highest bitter. How would that not be the assumption?

@InterwebsChris @PeterJAngel I'll check out because this feels unlikely to be fruitful. You made a claim that's just incorrect: "everyone has one designated spot", but you don't acknowledge that this is wrong, and if that's wrong that should affect your conclusions.

Even if you make people pay for a sticker to park in formerly free residential spots, it will just be another tax on drivers. It is bad either way. As a user tax it makes no sense because there is no marignal cost to street parking for the city. If you want to 100% fund transportation with user taxes, cars should be charged per mile they drive with a small excise tax over new infrastructure while the capital cost is still being funded. This would be about $0.15 a mile for passenger card in NYS, and it would be significantly for heavy vehicles like commercial trucks. All current tolls, registration fees, speed cameras, gas taxes, and other taxes would be removed. The subway would also have to be fully self funded. It would be $12 a ride. Bikes would have to be charhed for their use of bike lanes as well. That would be a small fee, but there would still be one. If you want to switch to this system, I would be fine with it. There still would be no reason to charge for parking.

@OrevaZSN The minimum wage should not exsist.

The minimum wage is meant to be the lowest wage you can live on and afford housing. So, for everyone saying "it's not meant to be that," yes, it is. That's why it's called the minimum wage.

@HeroDividend We could if we made material cuts to entitlement spending and lowered taxes and regulations so the economy grew faster over time. It call could be done while balancing the budget, and over time $39.T will seem small after growth and inflation.

We can’t vote our way out of this btw

@BobFromAccounts Are you under the impression that bikes and roller blades are new inventions?

The horror! I hope no drivers were injured while sitting in their outdated, impractical urban transport, as cyclists whizzed past. If they were stuck behind other cars, they would be quite content.

People are still going to have their cars parked in the laid long term parking. It is just going to be another tax, unless it is so expensive that people can't afford it. Then private transportation will be materially affected, which will hurt the city. 20 years ago before the bike lanes, excessive bus lanes, 25mph speed limits, speed cameras, "traffic softening devices" and other anti car infrastructure, there was a lot less congestion and people drove more often. If you want people to move their cars and use them, we should revert back to that system.

@InterwebsChris @PeterJAngel I think this might be a misunderstanding. Pricing for street parking does not mean everyone gets a designated spot. Every car can park on any spot. It means spots are priced, and if done smartly it's set so that every block has some parking available at all times.

@EricsRambles Busses and bikes should not have their own lanes.

Gee, I wonder what could be causing them to park in the bus lane?

It would just be another tax. It isn't socialism to have a common pool resource be non taxed. People can already pay money for private parking if they want. For an effective transportation system to exsist, there needs to be street parking. Drivers already oay through the nose to have cars in NYC. It's not like the revenue is going to be used to make roads better or expand parking. It's just amazing to see all of these socalsits turn into free market capitalists when it comes to taxing drivers for something they already pay for. Street parking is part of the road. Yes, if you tax cars to the extent that no one can afford to have them anymore, there will he fewer cars. That is not a better system at all. Street parking adds $0 marginal cost to the city budget. Would you like a user tax for people who walk on the sidewalk or breathe the air? They are using a rare commodity that belongs to the public as well.

@InterwebsChris @PeterJAngel It's important that the road system allows drivers to get around. Pricing for parking would *improve* this, reduce congestion and prevent cases where parking is hoarded by people who rarely drive. Free street parking has all the problems of naive socialism: Queuing and waste.

You are looking at something that is $0 cost and $0 revenue, but has a major direcr benefit for those who use it and a major indirect benefit for those who do not. What exactly is the argument for getting rid of it besides you hating cars for some inexplicable reason? Once you have lived in the city for more than 5 minutes, you will realize that you will need to commute farther than the subway line will take you. That requires a car.

@InterwebsChris @floor_per_area @PeterJAngel People who don't own cars - a majority of households citywide, and a supermajority in denser parts of the city - also pay those taxes. Most people move around New York City by modes other than personal cars and hence don't need storage space for personal cars.

@B840D0o @floor_per_area @PeterJAngel The parking also does not cost the tax payers anything on a marignal basis. Are you suggesting that the city would otherwise rent out that space for a profit? The city would then not have a reliable way for private cars to drive around, which every city needs.

Those people indirectly benefit from parking because they live in a city that would not be able to have an economy if people could not move their cars around. Yes, they pay taxes, but they do not pay car related taxes. Car drivers pay for a good chunk of the subway. I would be fine switching tona system where the subway was $10 and driving was $0.15 a mile wherever you went in the entire state, but with no othet tolls or taxes outside of some temporary excise taxes. People who rode bikes would have to pay a small tax as well.