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Yeah I don't disagree, I pay for premium not because I get any engagement, it's because I'm really bad at being a terse writer (as I'm sure you've noticed) and I hate being cut off by the tweet limit, so they suckered me into paying. But in some respects I like twitter insomuch that at least a lot of accounts I follow are real people with storied backgrounds. On more anonymous sites, people make a lot of engineering claims with a lot of hubris. At least on this site, if John Carmack says something about the craft of programming, and it's something that previously went against my beliefs, I can sit there and analyze my own thinking and assume that I'm an idiot and have something to learn from Carmack. On Reddit for example some years ago, I copy pasted word for word some of Carmack's emails or w/e about inlining functions, and people told me that those were "the dumbest arguments they had ever seen", then I linked to the source and they just stopped responding.

@NotAttained the decision makers aren't interested in the craft and generally lack respect for the audience. Hence tolerating get-rich-quick-schemes, which again is rewarded by society, which gives them more power and cycle repeats.

Since the dude blocked me. No. You're completely missing the point. "JaPaN iS hIgH trUsT" is a bad analysis since there's enormous material differences. In both countries you can have diametric opposite situations and "high trust" has no role in it. x.com/i/status/20486…

You'll have to show me the quote where anyone said anything like that, I think Ryan's examples were different than mine, and he off-handedly said "high trust society" in a way to encompass the things he was complaning about. That is a colloquially recognized thing btw, most people in day-to-day discourse are talking about crime & safety when they talk about living in a "high trust society".

@NotAttained But we're not talking mainly about safety. We are talking about reducing every factor of a country down to a single data point.

This is a more interesting debate, but also what is considered a crime isn't the same across societies, and that's kind of the point, there is not a good standard for what is acceptable/unacceptable on the major social media sites. I would argue that the slop we see every day should be rare, and when someone engages in it they should be a shameful experience for them, and not something that gains them anything, whether engagement, financial, etc.

@NotAttained But you're trying to transfer perception of crime to "how much enshitification happens". One could try making arguments about how enshitification relates to trust, but that's not the argument.

Annoyances in business is pretty vague, but we're still just talking about general public expectations. And yes, broadly speaking there are countries that you would not be safe in as a Norwegian. There are even many countries where you can go vacation where you will be explicitly told to stay in the resorts by locals so that you can remain safe.

@NotAttained And when it comes to a theory of slop and bad faith, it especially misses, since it doesn't follow such parameters. Japan has annoyances in business, while France might not have it. Refusing to even try acknowledging how this reduction is unhelpful is bad faith.

@bernielomax Since this is like the 5th time you've used it as a gotcha, I regret to inform you I'm European just like you.

@NotAttained And more to the point, since you keep missing it. Reducing whole countries to stereotypical categories such as "high trust" (which is all over the place) is really arrogant. It is really hard for Americans to get this. Having a Paris Syndrome is a tourist thing.

I'm not talking about perception *alone*, I'm talking about data and perception, opinions are one thing, including people *claiming* they trust people in their society. I actually care more about empirical data, e.g., real safety, real cleanliness, real public disturbance values. I also don't get why you're disagreeing, you *know* social media is inundated with garbage, the analogy is just that some places on the planet suck to live in, and some places are still quite good, and that we can all wish the internet was a better place.

@NotAttained That you cherry pick data to show two countries fit your personal experiences isn't really a good model. You're talking about "perception of safety", which is something else than "high trust" . I felt more trust sharing dinner in a Sudanese refugee camp then in rich LA.

I'm not sure if/how long you followed Ryan for, but he has tried for a long time to try to have reasonable debates with people and it ends up being a waste of time and goes nowhere, so I think now he's just half trolling. Whether it's right or not, I can't say, and obviously Ryan is good friends with many Europeans so I doubt he endorses that random guy's post. But he went to speak at a conference in Europe just this past summer, and obviously helped push Vjekoslav's (Croatian) FilePilot on here, etc. Also isn't Fleury a French last name? Maybe unrelated but it's possible he even has family in France and is speaking from experience...

@NotAttained And he's not having a good faith discussion when he brands intelligent replies as "Reddit slop", when that's what he's engaging in.

The data I sent you does illustrate my point, but I guess you don't really care about any research that doesn't align with your internet debates. Separately, I'm starting to feel like you're bad faith and refuse to engage with any points that you don't like to hear. So again, when *I* talk about the kind of "societal trust" I value, I'm talking about things like crime, safety, cleanliness, and general experience when out in public, e.g., are people going to rob me, are sales people going to run up to me in a grocery store and ask me invasive questions about which phone carrier I'm using, is it safe to walk around almost everywhere at all times, etc. etc. If you can acknowledge that there are these categories of things that you can experience, and that THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT PLACES. Playing dumb semantic games about arbitrary definitions of "trust" are stupid, I don't trust you with my banking details and social security number, but I trust you not to rob me on public transportation.

@NotAttained That data illustrates my point; if it was data there would be signal. But when you reduce a billion data points to a single number you get noise. Wow you lived in so many places and you learnt nothing. You're still like any other naive American.

Your analysis was so good you had to go back on your own numbers, then you had to pick the weakest data possible to corroborate your "views". And you haven't even lived in other countries? I'm telling you that you're actually being childish, you are just pontificating from afar, I have lived in over a dozen countries for at least 1 year+ spanning 3 continents. You don't actually know anything about what it feels like to live in any of these places, you're a tourist at best.

@NotAttained Essentially your analysis is shit. There's zero value to it.

But as a separate response, you are massively cherry picking poor data with poor testing. "When available, we consider “Don’t know” and “No answer” to be valid response categories and include them in percentage calculations. “Missing” responses, however, are excluded from the set of possible answers." Is a vague and horrible metric to gauge what something as nuanced as "trust" means. But to be clear, if it maybe helps you more, *myself* and most people when speaking generally, are just talking about general safety and pleasantness expected from the people in your society. If you feel unpleasant or endangered in any kind of way (as a human from this planet you presumably know what I'm talking about), that is a knock on the environment you're in. And bringing this back, this was all a vague analogy about massive sites on the internet today, which is actually (again) an apt comparison. I don't think I'm engaging with good faith people most of the time. This website is full of slop for engagement, spam for engagement, ragebait for engagement, etc. The sentiment (I don't want to speak for him but I'll guess) is that he wishes the internet broadly was a place where people were having good faith, intelligent discussions about things. You can find pockets of this if you search hard enough, but most of social media is diluted into pure garbage if you don't work very hard on removing bad curation from your algorithms.

@NotAttained Yes, I do. Yet, talking about USA as similar to Japan because both have similar trust isn't very meaningful, is it?

@bernielomax I don't know if you know this or not, but the USA is actually *not* France. Random thing to bring up... That's like me saying Norway is higher trust than the USA randomly, which is actually true! You live in Norway, don't you?

@NotAttained Okay I should have specified even closer here, where i said i read wrong. x.com/i/status/20486…

@bernielomax Ohh, this one doesn't show France ahead of Japan :(

@NotAttained And i used this.. It's such vague pieces of data to try defining whole countries with. It's a form of nationalist pop-psychology that Americans especially partake in. You said "high-trust" but you actually meant "low perception of crime". ourworldindata.org/grapher/self-r…

@bernielomax pewresearch.org/short-reads/20…

@NotAttained Sorry, I read wrong. But with 26% Vs 34% there's not an enormous difference. That still puts Japan below USA (37%) and so on. There are completely different factors at play, and they aren't tied to nationality. It's simply reading tea leaves.

He blocked me so I can't respond but lol: github.com/id-Software/DO… Guess John Carmack's writings on why you want longer files and why you might want to inline functions instead of abstracting everything don't mean much to legendary programmers like alkimiadev. Thank god you were there to steer us away from the teachings of crappy programmers like Carmack! Phew that was close, almost ended up becoming more mediocre myself!

@alkimiadev @JaidCodes It’s hard to imagine because you are a perennially mediocre programmer.

Thought this was an overly harsh response to someone who asks for permission to work for free. Then I looked into the PRs attached to the application. Bless Mitchell’s soul.

Which countries have you lived in? You still haven't answered, and the comparison was still apt. In Japan I can go outside and I don't have to worry about walking through garbage, I don't have to worry about someone pulling a knife on me, I don't have people running up to me yelling random things or trying to scam me/rob me/pickpocket me, I don't have to worry about people pissing in the metro, I don't have to worry about leaving my car doors unlocked, or my house unlocked. The main social media platforms on the internet broadly are much more similar to living in what's colloquially termed a "shithole". However you want to play semantic games, you understand what people are saying. I don't "trust" people the same way in certain countries as I do in others, and that goes for strangers and neighbors alike.

@NotAttained Second, generalising whole countries around such badly defined terms is just bad language. So that he attracts a dude posting essentially a "joke threat" because I'm European shoes what sort of audience this sort of dumb takes attract.

@bernielomax Ok, show me the data that shows France is more high trust than Japan.

@NotAttained High trust means whether you trust other people. This has been surveyed in many countries, and compared to most France is more high trust than Japan. But you seem to fill it with completely arbitrary meanings.

I would like to see you attempt at quantifying all aspects of "high trust" between the two countries instead of just claiming things. Unlike you, I have lived in *many* countries, and I regret to inform you that nobody in Japan has ever attempted to pickpocket/rob me, but in Paris on the metro I have seen it and experienced it first hand many times. And I wouldn't even rate it as an unsafe city compared to some other places in Europe and SA. All I'm saying is, if you don't feel like you can leave your doors unlocked, or if you drop your wallet will it get returned to you, or when you walk down the street at night and see some dudes standing around how safe do you feel walking past them vs taking a detour, or will someone be violent in public, can you trust people not to litter, what are the odds that people will make your interaction in public unpleasant, etc. Those are all real metrics that you can live and experience. What countries have you lived in, seriously?

@NotAttained The pop perception, where people assume Japan is high trust because children can go to school by themselves (which they also do in France). Attempts at quantifying will put France above Japan.

@bernielomax @rfleury @MagickPorro You're better at what? You literally are ignoring the main point, BROADLY in Japan it is safer and higher trust, instead of making retarded tweets, why don't you show us some actual data. Is crime lower in Paris than in Tokyo? I don't even have to look it up to know the answer.

@rfleury @MagickPorro More nonsense. People don't visit Paris for spam either. Yet Japan isn't a place without annoying commercials, grafitti, people trying to sell you stuff. Your take is off for non-americans since you're peddling assumptions. Do things right. I'm better at this than you.

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