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With dungeon-ish backgrounds it starts to look like an actual game.. maybe I should spend more time on this prototype #gamedev #indiedev (p.s the lightning animation is highly inspired by a certain PSX tactics game)

@Doombeetle 1. ship Zink dll's and make it use zink upon startup (by setting some environment variable) and 2. get rid of bindless textures I'm not sure this is of any relevance if you're not using opengl

@shingpapi When you have some time I would love to know how you solved it! I don't think I'm going to try my hand at doing a custom engine like you are but I am fiddling with game dev on the side

So I just got a radeon PC for testing, and my OpenGL game just straight up crashed the driver (it crashed ATI's driver). Can I just completely ignore Radeon users? Is that even allowed? This whole radeon thing is giving me nightmares :( Gif unrelated #gamedev

@Doombeetle Chose to tackle it now I think I figured out a solution, was afraid it was gonna be a week's worth of work but looks like it's just one (very long day)'s worth

@shingpapi Ah that would complicate things. Your work is so impressive, it would be a shame for someone to not be able to experience it. Either way, it is a problem you can always choose to tackle later

@John84421387 technically I am one since I just got this new (old by today's standard) radeon..

@shingpapi Radeon users don’t deserve rights, this is valid

@Doombeetle Hmm, not sure how that'd work with all the shaders I got going on

@shingpapi CPU rendering is an option! It may not got 60 fps, but doing a check for incompatible graphics cards on boot would at least get the game running on bad machines

@cybereality wish I got this AMD computer earlier, for the longest time I thought the AMD driver on steam deck is similar. I have heard that the nvidia drivers are a lot more lenient though, so maybe developing on AMD first would have been better

@shingpapi granted, there are issues. my app was crashing too when i ported to windows amd. but the issue more was about having it working on nvidia first, and then testing amd. if you develop on amd, and then test nvidia, it can be the same situation (e.g. drivers are different)

@cybereality I hope so, because that means it'll eventually be solvable on my end. Having said that, this kind of thing showing up when I try to debug it is really scaring me away from their OpenGL (windows) drivers for now

@shingpapi i mean, i've had problems all over in general, but i'd be willing to bet $100 it's not AMD's fault

@NC_KuroRaiden fortunately Zink (that translates thing to Vulkan) seem to work, might just have to ship with these for AMD users

@shingpapi AMD folks love Vulkan ❤️

@tensecaterpie old legacy reasons. I've been doing opengl for 2 decades now. go with vulkan if you're starting IMO, but take my advice with a grain of salt

@shingpapi why did you choose opengl over vulkan? im learning

@KoltPenny some ryzen (can't remember doubt that makes a difference) but the GPU is 7600XT or something. Tried to find something old enough for testing yet new enough I can buy immediately, was $1500

@shingpapi What processor?

@CrimsynVT_ hmm I'm so old I keep saying ATI instead of radeon

@shingpapi ATI DRIVERS??? Bro how old is that GPU???

@cybereality Renderdoc crashed unfortunately. In the case of AMD drivers I doubt it's something simple. At any rate, I gave up with their stuff and plan to ship with Zink drivers, seem to be able to get 90% of the way there and at least it doesn't crash

@shingpapi it's usually something simple. just use a debugger like renderdoc or nsight

@cybereality unfortunately being exposed to nvidia since forever has gotten me in this state. anyway, looks like Zink is a good solution so far, the driver at the very least does not crash

@shingpapi I've found the same thing. However, in my experience AMD follows the spec very closely, while Nvidia often breaks the rules, in order that things that shouldn't work still work. Meaning it working in the first place on Nvidia is the bug, not the other way around.

@KoltPenny 3fps gaming..

@shingpapi Fallback to software rendering.

@higihigster 15-20% apparently. I cared enough to buy a whole new radeon PC, but when issues like this arise I'm not 100% sure I can ever get it working

@shingpapi Are we not half the pc market?

cops when they see ________

@carlicy15 Pirated a bunch of latin music around two decades ago (fabiana cantilo's album, belanova etc) and from that point I started listening to random ones from time to time. Can't remember how I got introduced to la flaca though, might be yt algo since this one is recent for me

@shingpapi Well, I was saying this because I found it interesting that someone from the other world listens to those songs; almost everyone in Latin America listens to that song.

a whole ocean of _____ #gamedev #indiedev

@carlicy15 was just playing when I was recording

@shingpapi Hahaha, what a random song, it has nothing to do with the post.

@TheOrcosaurusVT @FrostedFears i sometimes think i belong in japan

@FrostedFears @shingpapi Heck yeah! She is doing the Fudoh bit! youtube.com/watch?v=AaRXhO…

Ninpō: ________ no jutsu

@tfgrahdhhfgfgj1 lured all the brave people out

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