@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Israel is doing a fine job undoing itself without any help from me.
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@underverse @jeffspross But it already happened. What you are arguing for is the undoing of a Jewish state because a bunch of people had to move 40 miles. It's not rational,
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This is a great example of how you can’t really appreciate how badly the Palestinian Arabs got screwed by the Zionist project without recognizing that the way market capitalism constructs and distributes property rights for land is often deeply unjust and antisocial.
Steve Plotnicki@steveplotnicki
@FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion That's actually wrong. They lived on the land but didn't own it. The land was owned by Ottomans and Egyptians. This is why their equitable claim is weak.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Because repaying criminality with criminality is the ideology of fascism.
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@underverse @jeffspross Given they Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries, what’s the argument that the same shouldn’t happen to the Palestinians?
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Polls show Israelis as substantially more supportive of Palestinian eradication than the reverse, but that’s Jewish supremacy for you. Hitlerian madness.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Israel spends 2 years bombing the residences of 2 million Gazans, killing tens if not 100s of thousands, and your big concern about Palestinians is they want to murder Jews.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Why should Palestinian sovereignty be subject to approval of any other country, let alone one composed mostly of people who immigrated there within the last century? You can’t even conceive of this problem outside the lens of Jewish supremacy.
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@underverse @jeffspross And the Palestinians should citizens of there’s. But they need to recognize Israel and give up the right of return which they refuse to do. So I guess it’s not important enough to them
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross The Rohingha are a true analogy to the Palestinians, as they are denied full citizenship by Myanmar. And you've no doubt seen them championed on the left accordingly. But the United States is not a backer of the Myanmar regime.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross What a mind you have. Kurds, Druze, Yazidis, and Copts are all citizens of their countries of habitation. (There some contingent edge cases, but by and large these are not stateless populations based on ethnicity.)
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross I’m not arguing for personal reparations on either side. If you want to ask your congress member to sue Iraq for pilfered wealth, be my guest; it’s your sweat.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross How the fuck is that a double standard? Israelis have a state, enjoy one of the highest standards of living in the world, and are the primary recipient of aid from the world’s most powerful nation.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross A population numbering in the millions opting for abject statelessness to own the Israelis. Sounds... pretty racist! Especially when a far more empirical and proximate reason is that the West Bank has been settled so thoroughly it can never be partitioned.
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@underverse @jeffspross They don't have sovereignty because they don't want the Jews to have it.
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@WilliamHogeland Cast Xander Berkeley as Herman Husband and you're off to the races.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross It’s perverse of you to imply they have more fantastical or unrealistic goals than that. They’re human beings who want to to no longer be stateless.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross That’s false. Certainly some hope to return to their former homes or those of their parents, but the Nakhba was now 3-4 generations ago. What most Palestinians want is simple sovereignty.
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@steveplotnicki @jeffspross Are you suggesting there were empty homes to walk into and inhabit, unused farms and groves and shops to take over, “40 miles away”?
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@jeffspross Please explain how they were screwed badly other than having to move 40 miles away?
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@underverse @shawarmawarma @PDahu @DavidKlion Except he disagrees with the false inference that you think flows from that.
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What's funny is the biblical account (while admittedly mythical and not a basis for contemporary international law in any case) completely contradicts this... which any Jew who just had a seder ought to be freshly aware of.
Eli Lake@EliLake
The Jewish people are indigenous to Israel.
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@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion I’m simply establishing that Plotnicki’s claim was false. Sounds like you agree. All good.
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@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion Why would they be singularly bound to a mandate the Arabs refused in favor of winning all of their demands in war? Which the Arabs lost, despite the odds?
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@neuroticjewgay Favoring or opposing specific political formations is not “discrimination.”
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Discrimination based on national origin=being principled, reasonable, and kind.
Matt Lieb??@mattlieb
Love when StopAntisemitism tries to drag someone by posting them being principled, reasonable, and kind.
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@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion So Israel only occupied the lands duly granted by UN mandate, is that your claim?
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@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion Israel agreed to the UN Plan, so they aren't incorrect that it wasn't unilaterally taken. The Arabs refused that plan, waged war, and lost.
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@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion If you scroll up, you’ll see Plotnicki’s claim that Israel didn’t take land, it was mandated land by the UN. The map is a valuable corrective for this notion.
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@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion How is the UN plan on the borders, and the resulting refusal of international consensus/ where the borders end up post war relevant? Really?
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@shawarmawarma @steveplotnicki @PDahu @DavidKlion How is this question relevant to where the borders are?
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@underverse @steveplotnicki @PDahu @FilipMelanchton @DavidKlion The ones which Israel accepted and the Arabs refused due to their belief it would be an easy war for them?
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