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@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith I felt the implication was clear that when I said invented key elements I was talking about high level initial inventions, as I gave two examples in which that was the case, it's not like I am denying any historical facts or timelines.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith Something is invented before it is physically made, and typically long before it is commercially viable. The transformer was a key element required for commercial electricity invented in the UK, regardless of whether it was made commercial practical in the UK, which it mostly was

America, I love you dearly, but you need to sort your sockets out. Never once have I plugged something in in Britain and seen a spark.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith The iron core in the middle is open linear in the sense of being a straight cylinder, the toroid describe the arrangement of the coils around it.

@Chipzilla2k4 @mikeysmith How do you have a closed loop toroid with an open loop? Or in a linear orientation for that matter?

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith Almost every development that happened between Faraday and practical AC power transmission, happened in the UK first, even if all the elements didn't come together as we know it today there.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith Even if you want to distort the definition of invention like that, Gaulard was working in the UK with Dixon-Gibbs when they designed the first AC transformers practical for power transmission, while the first public power source was slightly earlier in Surrey.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith A way to say that something is similar to a toroid. Or a ring donut. As opposed to the square core common of most modern large scale transformers.

@Chipzilla2k4 @mikeysmith And what does toroidal mean?

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith I never said practical transformers first came from the UK though, I completely accept there's a difference between inventing the elements of something and engineering it into a viable commercial product.

@Chipzilla2k4 @mikeysmith I’ll say the UK assisted in transformer development. It’d be inappropriate to say practical transformers came from the UK, though.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith It's an induction coil that has an open linear core made of iron, rather than a closed iron loop or any later alternative core topologies, those were descriptors rather than part of the name.

@Chipzilla2k4 @mikeysmith There’s no such thing as a toroidal open linear iron core induction coil.

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@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith You said "I’m not sure the UK had anything to do with transformer development." And I'm saying that's not true, several of the key innovations, discoveries and developments that went into practical AC transformers came from the UK, even if not initially used for AC transformers.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith laminated wire cores had already been implemented in commercial induction coils, British engineer Alfred Apps had already perfected sectional winding. British advancements in dielectric insulation for induction coils were later ported over to transformers by Elihu Thomson.

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith The first AC transformers were still toroidal open linear iron core induction coils, just with the mechanical interrupter required for DC use removed. By that point Callan's designs had already been scaled up to large elegant models for X-Rays, radio, etc. Key features like...

@MrNickFortune @mikeysmith Ireland was specifically part of the UK, unlike the rest of the empire, but yes I never said Faraday had everything ready? I said that the transformer was invented in the UK, and disputed your claim that the UK had no involvement with later AC models.

Ok? He can be the first to demonstrate transformer principles with a test, and if you want to call that the first real transformer, ok. And of course they operated on the same principles. It’s electricity. That doesn’t mean Faraday had everything ready for practical transformers, nor does it mean that the UK, even if you include half the world’s population as “British citizens”, had everything ready for commercial electricity.

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop It's far from insignificant though, it is a meaningful rise that comes with a non-zero risk, ~0.2 in 6 weeks could move you from a normal level of ~1.6mmol/L to borderline high. Of course the exact risk varies per person and with the rest of their diet, same as anything else.

@Chipzilla2k4 @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop 0.17mmol/L is not a significant enough difference for health risk. Especially combined with no LDL change and no effect on weight and glucose. In principle, would agree, but the application here is overstated.

People don't seem to understand American abundance. This is the specialty cheese section, which is completely separate from the rest of the dairy aisle where you'd get things like string cheese and regular cheap block cheddar. We have everything, and in ridiculous quantities.

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop Unlike many other nations across the world, UK young lads are still overwhelmingly left wing, and mostly haven't bought the divisive algorithmic slop propaganda of US billionaires attempts at foreign interference in our democracy, nor their puppets like Lowe.

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop The rape gangs were enabled by corrupt police officers. Socialist Burnham, who solved the rape gang problem, is about to be elected as an MP tomorrow, and after that will be leader of the UK within a few months. Reform and Restore cannot win against him, but yes, agree on UK lads

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop Besides LDLs, if you have a meaningfully higher concentration of triglycerides, which this clearly shows melted cheese consumption can lead to, then you are are at a meaningfully higher risk of experiencing health issues. Do you dispute any of this?

Not cherry picking. LDL is the primary driver of plaque buildup. The study itself states no significant difference in LDL (or HDL/VLDL). The TC/TG increases were there but tiny (~0.20 & 0.17 mmol/L). The authors label them ‘clinically meaningful’ based on general evidence from much larger drug induced changes, not this small dietary shift. No effects on weight or blood sugar either. Melted cheese isn’t meaningfully ‘less healthy. End of.

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop You're cherry picking again. The fact that one point and a couple of the outcomes didn't immediately change does not negate the fact that the report undoubtably found clinically meaningful changes in factors relevant to health.

The authors call it ‘clinically meaningful’ as a general principle, citing a meta on larger TG/cholesterol changes from drugs, but look at the actual data dude: LDL (what causes plaque): no significant difference Effect size tiny: ~0.20 mmol/L TC & 0.17 TG difference No change in weight or glycemic control Not meaningful for real health outcomes. Grilled cheese is still fine. Try cooking your food sometime you might enjoy it.

@bbrjed @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop You're cherry picking one data point out of a full report. You clearly immediately jumped to critique the report before you'd properly read it and have been on the backfoot scraping at information to try to defend your position of ignorance since. No intellectual honesty.

@Chipzilla2k4 @top_banana3 @cowgirl_bebop You’re cherry picking the interpretive sentence while downplaying the actual results (no LDL change + magnitudes so small that they don’t matter) This is actually embarrassing how you refuse to give up