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@ivix42 @Bagaget @FlashShad0w If I run a rat maze I’m not using 8 chad healthy rats and 2 crippled rabid elders. That’s unnecessary outliers. I think chaos babies are a variable that should either be explicitly stated in the main problem or omitted entirely.
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@ivix42 @Bagaget @FlashShad0w But everyone having equal info going in to the experiment is kinda how experiments work 🥺. That’s why researchers introduce blind and double blind elements. I’m not overwhelmingly set on red being definitively right I’m just advocating for scientific integrity 🫥.
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La première fois que j'ai vu ce dilemme, j'ai moi aussi instinctivement pris de haut les bleus en pensant qu'il fallait être teubé pour pas voter rouge
Sauf que j'ai complètement oublié un détail important
Une partie non négligeable de la population ne peut pas faire de choix
ℏεsam@Hesamation
inventing a sacrifice nobody needs
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@ivix42 @AlexKana4 @FlashShad0w Tbh, most versed in statistics will read “everyone” as “those capable of understanding and selecting autonomously” because uneven info distribution amongst participants makes a shitty invalid experiment.
It’s a matter of whether you default to reducing experimental bias or not.
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@ReadyLemon @AlexKana4 @FlashShad0w That comes from the reds that didn't read and understand the question well. Blues actually properly interpreted "everyone on earth" and the whole question.
All reds just have to be humble enuff like the op to switch, but many won't, they gotta prove they're "smart"!
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@hyeiccino We really want to model the behavior of a population of individuals facing a real life or death situation with no external intervention.
Let’s use a 0 consequence twitter poll of people who have been discussing their answers for the past week!
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notice how more than 51% of people voted blue
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@Big_lundi Nah, most versed in statistics will read “everyone” as “those capable of understanding and selecting autonomously” because uneven info distribution amongst participants makes a shitty invalid experiment.
It’s a matter of whether you default to reducing experimental bias or not.
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See we blue button pushers knew that was a part of the test because we know what "everyone" means. Man you red pushers really like talking about how objectively brilliant and smart you are for your choice while being the dumbest people in the world.
𝔏𝔲𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔢𝔯𝔳𝔞@LumLotus
Empathy was never a part of it until someone asked if children, disabled, and people unable to understand the question was involved. A good portion didn't even see that because it wasn't part of the original test.
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@therurokenboy The buttons are weighted differently though. Sure, 50% is an expected value of random presses of 2 buttons with no stipulations, but introducing the idea that blue could result in your own death likely brings down its expected use rate. No one person can guarantee everyone lives
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The argument that for everyone to survive only 51% needs to press blue but 100% for red is flawless except for the fact that ppl are selfish as hell and wont think about it like that🥀
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@MarxistRealism What benefit? They just decline the death gamble that everyone else is also allowed to decline. Nobody gets anything. Most red voters WANT blue to win and nobody to die, but in a scenario with no outside info, you rely on your trust or your survival instincts. That’s it.
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The only thing worth paying attention to in this obnoxious red vs. blue thought experiment is that the world is about to enter a period of genuine scarcity and you should be wary of the types who are willing to rationalize killing half of everyone they know for their own benefit.
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@CantEverDie Interesting framework indeed.
Might I ask: are you currently risking your life for Palestine?
Kinda sounds like everyone who gets to argue hypotheticals on their phone is pressing the real life red button.
(If you’re actively fighting the genocide, good on you btw)
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the most interesting thing about the blue button vs red button debate is how it reveals how many people believe the red button option is a purely “safe” option and not the explicitely violent option, and i think that frames the israel / palestine conversation fairly well
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@DaggerFoxVT We really want to model the behavior of a population of individuals facing a real life or death situation with no external intervention.
Let’s use a 0 consequence twitter poll of people who have been discussing their answers for the past week!
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Muting this idgaf about your opinions 👍
Last thing I'll say is if you press red you're either a selfish coward, stupid enough to think everyone will make the same choice in a society of 8 billion people, or you're okay with millions/billions of people dying because you've deluded yourself into thinking they're inferior to cope with the aforementioned traits.
Either way you can't be convinced hence why I won't waste my time debating with you.
Blue always wins for a reason. And even if it didn't, it would. Living in a society with only people who would be quick to throw you under the bus to save their own skin is a fate worse than death.
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Red pressers call blue pressers stupid for not believing that 8 billion human beings will press the selfish kill everyone else button all in unison
I don't care if I die pressing the blue button, I don't want to live in the post-red button hellscape anyways
Rancid sociopaths
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@PavelTheDev So…. Virtue signaling but irl. Imma be real I think a lot of blue voters are genuinely altruistic about it but I know for certain that you are NOT
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It would be much better if, when blue wins, everyone had their choice marked as a necklace or an unremovable earring.
This way, the world would always know what you chose
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@Padillac_16 We really want to model the behavior of a population of individuals facing a real life or death situation with no external intervention.
Let’s use a 0 consequence twitter poll of people who have been discussing their answers for the past week!
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Red button pushers going "Blue button pushers are self-destructive idiots who'll choose the obvious worst option for no reason and complain about when they inevitably get destroyed" as if blue hasn't gotten the majority every time this poll happens
CinnamonToastKen@cinnamontoastk
This red button/blue button discourse is wild. 100% red saves everyone no consequence 51% of blue saves everyone no consequence 51% red kills all of blue but they frame it like its blues fault they had to kill them even though red is the only choice that causes anyone to die.
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@Creditspreadit @OberWaffen @MrBeast We really want to model the behavior of a population of individuals facing a real life or death situation with no external intervention.
Let’s use a 0 consequence twitter poll of people who have been discussing their answers for the past week!
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Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@Bagaget @FlashShad0w Yeah I think my background in stats/engineering brings about a tendency to default to bias-reducing assumptions. When I see “everyone” I imagine the population that can comprehend and rationalize because there’s no validity in an experiment where some can’t.
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@ReadyLemon @FlashShad0w Everyone means everyone, private means private, vote by pushing a button means just that - unless you do a lot of assumptions.
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@Bagaget @FlashShad0w Red button pushers: selfish genocidal maniacs or didn’t hunt the replies for all parameters. No in-between
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@theramblingfool Yeah that top part. That’s exactly what I think. I never even considered the bottom train of thought. Why’d you say I said the bottom one? I didn’t.
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You could've just said "I pick red because I want to live no matter what, but I hope blue wins because all else being equal it'd be better if a button game didn't kill a bunch of people."
But you really went with "If not literally 100% of people press red, they deserve to die."
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@H3arY0uMe @reerttrr3 @yurddlc2 I’d totally risk my life in a situation that I felt any sense of competence or control over. Climb a tree to save a cat, swim to save a drowning baby. Stick my neck on the blue button when 4bill unknown people could just red me out of existence regardless of my bravery? No thx
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@reerttrr3 @yurddlc2 it's not that red dont want the majority to decide whether they live, it's that they would never risk their lives for others, it's that simple, they think risking your life to help others is a waste
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@SUPAH_SUPAH Red doesn’t lose tho. Most red pushers WANT blue to survive, just don’t trust that they will. Observing a 0 consequence social media result also really doesn’t paint a great picture of the actual situation
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Red pressers REPEATEDLY losing and REPEATEDLY having to find increasingly embarrassing ways to cope about it is incredibly entertaining to me
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@agitpopcorn @MathensFC There is a genocide happening right now in the Middle East and your life is not being put on the line to stop it. You are actively pushing the red button irl. Quick to call a hypothetical choice genocide but take 0 action in the real world. YIKES
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@MathensFC Blue is the correct answer. Red is willful genocide
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REDCELLS MAD THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE DECISION THEYRE SELFISH AND WANT SCORES OF PEOPLE TO DIE
Jack@depression2019
It is actually disturbing how dumb the average person is Red gives you a 100% chance of living, you literally get nothing beneficial out of choosing blue
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@AlexKana4 @FlashShad0w Dude I’ve seen 400 iterations of the “same” question in the last 5 minutes. All of them have different wording. How the FUCK am I supposed to know which assumptions are being made or rejected lmfao
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@ReadyLemon @FlashShad0w C'est bien ça, tu ne répond pas à la question qui EST effectivement posée, mais à la question à laquelle tu AIMERAI répondre.
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@AlexKana4 @FlashShad0w I’m purely considering that the uneven distribution of information among participants creates an invalid experiment to begin with. If the problem said “a bunch of people are totally picking blue” sure, I pick blue. We don’t get that though and the situation is fake to begin with.
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@ReadyLemon @FlashShad0w Non, tu inventes des règles en contradiction avec l'énoncé. L'énoncé initial précise bien "tout le monde sur terre".
On est pas surpris de voir les rouges mentir (ou se mentir ?) pour se justifier, mais ça ne prend pas.
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