@MooncircuS09 @calvinrobinson @Catholicizm1 We are not Jewish and our views oppose.
The foundation of the Christian faith is God who brought both the old and new covenant. It’s not an ethnic people.
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@calvinrobinson @Catholicizm1 I havent seen Bishop Barron s statement.But i d like to ask, what s wrong w jewish framing?The foundation of our christian faith wouldnt have stood the test apart from the OT.And there re still parts of the prophecies that are unfolding. Read all Jesus' words & apostles' letters
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This is a terrible statement. Leaving aside my personal opinion of Carrie Prejean Boller, no one ever defines antisemitism, and a Catholic can not support a Jewish state in any way shape or form. This isn’t just about Palestine, Iran, or religious freedom. We need to stop framing it that way.
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron
Over the past several weeks, Carrie Prejean Boller has complained that she was removed from the Presidential Commission on Religious Liberty because of her Catholic beliefs, and she has called out myself and other Catholic members of the commission for not defending her. This is absurd. Mrs. Prejean Boller was not dismissed for her religious convictions but rather for her behavior at a gathering of the Commission last month: browbeating witnesses, aggressively asserting her point of view, hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes. The Catholic position on matters of “Zionism,” to which I fully subscribe, is as follows: all forms of antisemitism are to be unequivocally condemned; the state of Israel has a right to exist; but the modern nation of Israel does not represent the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and hence does not stand beyond criticism. If Mrs. Prejean Boller were dismissed for holding these beliefs, it is difficult to understand why I am still a member of the Commission. To paint herself as a victim of anti-Catholic prejudice or to claim that her religious liberty has been denied is simply preposterous.
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@calvinrobinson @Catholicizm1 You always can be counted on to make a case defending why you think antisemism is ok in the church. Disgraceful. I see it in your posts again and again. You are a disappointment.
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@PonderHart @Edwierdo @calvinrobinson @Catholicizm1 The IHRA definition has been put into law. What are you talking about it’s not binding on Catholics?
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That’s an overly narrow reading.
The Church does not reduce antisemitism to 19th century racial theory alone. Nostra Aetate explicitly condemns hatred and persecution of Jews in any form, not just biological determinism.
It states: “the Church… decries hatred, persecutions, displays of antisemitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.”
That clearly goes beyond race and includes religiously or culturally motivated hostility.
And yes, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition is not binding on Catholics.
But that doesn’t mean the Church has no standard.
The Church’s own teaching already provides one, any form of hatred or unjust discrimination toward Jews is incompatible with the Gospel. Limiting antisemitism to racial categories risks excusing attitudes the Church has already condemned.
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His critique absolutely lands.
There is a NEW very broad and intentionally vague IHRA definition of antisemitism that has been enshrined into law in 36 U.S. states and 47 countries. That’s the new legal definition.
It includes criticism of Israel, saying that any Jewish person has more loyalty to Israel, or even quoting part of the New Testament.
The Catholic Church does not have its own definition of the word, which is very dangerous, as it will be read consistently through this new legal definition which has the potential to continually be added to and changed.
Even the ADL has pushed this odd definition, calling pro-Palestinian protests “antisemitic” or people putting swastika on Teslas to call Elon a Nazi “antisemitic.” So when the Catholic Church says “all displays of antisemitism,” what does that mean? Does that mean what the IHRA means? Quoting 1 Thessalonians 2? A pro-Palestine protest?
The IHRA definition stands completely outside of everything you’re saying here. “Historically understood” does not cover it.
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This critique doesn’t really land.
First, “antisemitism” is not a vague or “Jewish-only” category. The Church has explicitly addressed it. Nostra Aetate (Vatican II) states:
“The Church… decries hatred, persecutions, displays of antisemitism, directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.”
That’s not borrowing someone else’s framework, that’s Catholic teaching using a historically understood term.
Second, the concern about the New Testament being labeled antisemitic is misplaced. The Church has already clarified how Scripture is to be read, rejecting any interpretation that blames the Jewish people as a whole. So again, this is already defined within a Catholic framework.
Third, “right to exist” isn’t sloppy language, it’s standard moral and diplomatic language. In Catholic terms, it simply means a nation’s legitimate sovereignty and right to security, grounded in principles of justice and the common good. The Holy See itself uses this kind of language in international relations.
And finally, Bishop Barron is using Catholic framing, just applied to modern political language. He’s doing exactly what the Church does, taking timeless principles and expressing them in a way that engages the real world.
There’s no ambiguity here unless someone is looking for it.
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@calvinrobinson @Catholicizm1 You are not a Catholic Priest you are a TikToker. We understood very well. Ask God for revelation if you need further clarification.
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@RealOrdCatholic @Life4all86 @BishopBarron Yup, she didn’t watch it. She thought Carrie was the only person on the panel wearing a “foreign pin.” She had no idea they three other commissioners were wearing an Israel flag pin, nor did she care.
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@Life4all86 @BraveReport @BishopBarron Admit it, you didn’t watch the hearing…
Just like other zionists on X you parrot the same old talking points without providing a single verbatim example of your accusations!
The only people throwing a temper tantrum are whinny little betas blowing their antisemite dog whistle.
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Over the past several weeks, Carrie Prejean Boller has complained that she was removed from the Presidential Commission on Religious Liberty because of her Catholic beliefs, and she has called out myself and other Catholic members of the commission for not defending her. This is absurd. Mrs. Prejean Boller was not dismissed for her religious convictions but rather for her behavior at a gathering of the Commission last month: browbeating witnesses, aggressively asserting her point of view, hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes. The Catholic position on matters of “Zionism,” to which I fully subscribe, is as follows: all forms of antisemitism are to be unequivocally condemned; the state of Israel has a right to exist; but the modern nation of Israel does not represent the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and hence does not stand beyond criticism. If Mrs. Prejean Boller were dismissed for holding these beliefs, it is difficult to understand why I am still a member of the Commission. To paint herself as a victim of anti-Catholic prejudice or to claim that her religious liberty has been denied is simply preposterous.
Carrie Prejean Boller@CarriePrejean1
Your Excellency, you shared with me through text message to me that my position reflects Catholic teaching, especially that the modern state of Israel is not the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy. That is the position I expressed, and yet I was removed from the Religious Liberty Commission. Respectfully, it is difficult not to conclude that this commission does not truly care about religious liberty when a Catholic can be removed for faithfully articulating the Church’s teaching. Asking me to deny Catholic teaching in order to satisfy a political ideology is itself a violation of my religious freedom. As Pope Leo XIII warned, “To recoil before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamor is raised against truth, is the part of a coward.” Whether I serve on this Commission or not, my voice will only grow louder for those being persecuted for their faith. I believe this appointment was ordained by God, and I will not abandon my Catholic faith to keep a position on a commission that has abandoned its mission. If my religious freedom is not protected, then no one’s is. Please speak up. Please stand up for Catholics. Be brave, Bishop Barron. The world needs brave men.
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@EpiscopalFrog @calvinrobinson Can you show me this? I honestly haven’t seen it, nor can I find an example. Do you have a specific post in mind from the CforC page or something?
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“A previous commitment that came up unexpectedly”.
Get back to work, Matt Walsh.
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@EpiscopalFrog @calvinrobinson Where have they said that exactly?
Have you spoken out on the Talmud with equal fervor though, which actually does say that?
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@calvinrobinson TEC is full of retarded gay boomers, you’re right. But CforC has a serious antisemitism problem, and I’m not one of those people who says “erm if you criticize Israel you’re antisemitic. They are actively on Twitter twisting scripture to claim the Jews are a cursed race of people
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@Matt62241643 @altprdx @EMichaelJones1 @BishopBarron He owes her public support as the representative of her faith as a faith leader on the same commission. He 100% threw her under the bus and smeared her.
He has also spoken heresies publicly.
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@altprdx @EMichaelJones1 @BishopBarron First of all that’s not grounds for excommunication. Second that’s not what happened. He doesn’t owe her public support over a personal matter and she invoked it publicly. Also he never threw her under the bus. He didn’t wrongfully implicate her for something he partook in.
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His Excellency @BishopBarron makes a fool of himself by pretending that tweeting CIA propaganda and ADL talking points is the same as proclaiming the Gospel.
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron
I want to celebrate the bravery of thousands of people who are engaging in protest against the oppressive regime in Iran. I remember vividly when the Ayatollah Khomeini was swept to power some forty-six years ago, and I have witnessed the steady and vicious attacks on human dignity perpetrated by the corrupt theocracy he established. Moreover, I’ve watched as the Iranian kleptocracy has systematically de-stabilized the Middle East by fostering Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. Please God that this dishonorable government, which has been a source of so much mischief and suffering these past several decades, will find its way to the trash-heap of history.
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The Alexander brothers, Israeli-Americans convicted of sex trafficking, reportedly are seeking pardons by suggesting that anti-Semitism (!) tainted their trials
Trump’s “anti-Semitism envoy” implied that anti-Semitism was involved when they were deemed a flight risk to Israel
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He smeared her as “browbeating witnesses,” “aggressively asserting her point of view,” and “hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes.” Did you read the same post we did?
And he also said that Catholicism does not support Zionism theologically, which is the exact claim Carrie made.
His job is to be a leader of members of the faith and their souls, not someone who blasts them on X.
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@Aelthemplaer He didn't throw her under the bus. He simply said anti-zionism is not a catholic value, which is fundamentally what she was claiming. His job as bishop is not to cool the room; it's to guide people to righteousness even if that means calling seven plagues on Egypt.
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I hope Bishop Barron knows that, under the US' definition of antisemitism, he has just said something antisemitic.
The problem isn't really with what Barron said. It's that the US and the Catholic Church do not share the same definition of antisemitism. I also don't think his tone is very good.
I find it personally difficult to blame a woman for acting like a woman, call me sexist whatever. But I would ask Bishop Barron act like a Bishop, and understand that when war and genocide happens, people get emotional and hot headed and his job is to cool the room, not throw her under the bus.
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron
Over the past several weeks, Carrie Prejean Boller has complained that she was removed from the Presidential Commission on Religious Liberty because of her Catholic beliefs, and she has called out myself and other Catholic members of the commission for not defending her. This is absurd. Mrs. Prejean Boller was not dismissed for her religious convictions but rather for her behavior at a gathering of the Commission last month: browbeating witnesses, aggressively asserting her point of view, hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes. The Catholic position on matters of “Zionism,” to which I fully subscribe, is as follows: all forms of antisemitism are to be unequivocally condemned; the state of Israel has a right to exist; but the modern nation of Israel does not represent the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and hence does not stand beyond criticism. If Mrs. Prejean Boller were dismissed for holding these beliefs, it is difficult to understand why I am still a member of the Commission. To paint herself as a victim of anti-Catholic prejudice or to claim that her religious liberty has been denied is simply preposterous.
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@SethBarronNYC @ShaneSchaetzel Our current president literally said Israel controlled Congress and this was years ago. He said they “rightfully” controlled it, so it’s only fitting he would make it the most controlled Congress of all time when he was in power.
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Now I don't mind a strong alliance, but it's still wild to me that Donald Trump thinks Israel should control the United States Congress. It's a little concerning that there is no daylight between him & a foreign leader when he's making statements like this.
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@ShaneSchaetzel Basically. It’s idiotic beyond reason to say that AIPAC controls the US Congress
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Bernie Sanders is Jewish, but he’s anti-Zionist and says a Zionist organization is controlling the U.S. Congress. So does that make him an antisemite now?
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🚨🇺🇸 BREAKING — Sen. Sanders: US Congress is “Controlled by AIPAC” to support "Gaza Genocide"
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@NutlawPete @BishopBarron Our leaders should have the impetus you have, which is to define these words clearly through a Catholic theological lens and not leave them vague and up for interpretation by Zionist political actors.
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Not sure what that would accomplish.
The issue is that Zionism gains power in the U.S. through law and not through Catholic theology answers. They don’t care what our actual theology is. They care that they can “get” our religious leaders to agree with their legal terms publicly, hence giving their legal terms power in the real world. “Look, this Catholic priest speaks out against antisemitism and antisemites! (while they change the definition of both words to mean whatever they want to mean). He is your leader, so you must become Zionists, Catholics!”
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@Baseballmomof8 @TXJennyAgain @MattGaspers @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro We are called to.
Code of Canon Law — Canon 212 §3
“The Christian faithful have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known.”
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@TXJennyAgain @MattGaspers @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro Wow. Did not know you had taken on the role of the Judge. Good to know,
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CHRIST IS “THE PRIVILEGED ROUTE”?
Since @BishopBarron has now publicly disavowed @CarriePrejean1 (who did nothing wrong), I think it’s appropriate to recall what His Excellency told @benshapiro in 2018, when Shapiro asked him point-blank, “What’s the Catholic view on who gets into Heaven and who doesn’t? … Am I basically screwed here?”
“No,” said Barron — to a man who rejects Our Lord. “The Catholic view — go back to the Second Vatican Council [which] says it very clearly. I mean, Christ is the privileged route to salvation.”
Source: youtube.com/watch?v=0oDt8w…
Where does Vatican II teach that Christ is “the privileged route to salvation”? It doesn’t. On the contrary, the Council says that Christ is “the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation”:
“Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it [the Council] teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator [cf. 1 Tim. 2:5] and the unique way of salvation [cf. Acts 4:12]. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism [cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5] and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” (Lumen Gentium, art. 14)
Now, the Council also says: “Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience [cf. D.S. 3869-3872].” (Lumen Gentium, art. 16)
Does this apply to Ben Shapiro and other Jews who have heard and rejected the Gospel of Christ and His Church? (The answer should be obvious.)
See here for a fuller treatment of the 2018 interview: catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2018/12/2…
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Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron
Over the past several weeks, Carrie Prejean Boller has complained that she was removed from the Presidential Commission on Religious Liberty because of her Catholic beliefs, and she has called out myself and other Catholic members of the commission for not defending her. This is absurd. Mrs. Prejean Boller was not dismissed for her religious convictions but rather for her behavior at a gathering of the Commission last month: browbeating witnesses, aggressively asserting her point of view, hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes. The Catholic position on matters of “Zionism,” to which I fully subscribe, is as follows: all forms of antisemitism are to be unequivocally condemned; the state of Israel has a right to exist; but the modern nation of Israel does not represent the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies and hence does not stand beyond criticism. If Mrs. Prejean Boller were dismissed for holding these beliefs, it is difficult to understand why I am still a member of the Commission. To paint herself as a victim of anti-Catholic prejudice or to claim that her religious liberty has been denied is simply preposterous.
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@Baseballmomof8 @Boomingbox @MattGaspers @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro Huh? What a weird response
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@Boomingbox @MattGaspers @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro I know more than most folks. That is all I will say. Have a blessed day.
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@therosarysaves @MattGaspers @S_OReilly_USA @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro It’s not though. That’s not the infallible dogma of the Church.
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@MattGaspers @S_OReilly_USA @BishopBarron @CarriePrejean1 @benshapiro Telling a Jew face to face he’s good to go. This is your religion Matt. Face it.
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@RealOrdCatholic @CatholicPods @PhilOutsider @CarriePrejean1 Couldn’t agree more. Those entrusted with authority bear greater responsibility for the faithful, not less. That’s the nature of leadership.
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@BraveReport @CatholicPods @PhilOutsider @CarriePrejean1 Yep exactly…instead he focused on personalities…
That’s one of my points
Why not instead focus on clergy who cause scandal daily or politicians who are engulfed in grave sin? Versus a newly catechized laywoman who literally said NOTHING that wasn’t Catholic!
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We actually do have a serious "convert problem" in the media. I know some people say we should never ever question the sincerity of converts, but at this point we have a steady pipeline of high-profile converts immediately causing scandal and division, and it has to be addressed.
The Church has a long tradition of scrutinizing and imposing disciplines on catechumens and new Catholics. Catechumens in certain disapproved professions used to have to quit their job before they could be baptized. We are not historically an unconditional "all are welcome" Church. If a public figure is entering the Church it should be made very clear to her that becoming Catholic does not qualify her to teach the faith publicly. Of course this raises wider questions about laypeople "teaching" but at the very least there should be some kind of probation period.
Carrie Prejean Boller@CarriePrejean1
I was asked to resign in August for the same reasons I was removed in February. You knew about this because you called me immediately after I sent you this email, and you were in shock. Do you really want to stick with this story, Your Excellency?
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@BishopBarron John 10:11–13
“The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep…”
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