@upstatefederlst You should try to get an amendment passed that says that.
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ExistentialLab
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I'm demanding we create some bespoke definition of "subject to the jurisdiction" to create new policy out of thin air like Democrats do with absolutely no hesitation.
"Actually subject to the jurisdiction means both parents are US citizens, we just didn't notice until now."
Liam O'Connor@LiamOConnor1989
@someotherdude99 @upstatefederlst You are demanding that we amend the Constitution. I think the burden of proof for such a demand should be extremely high. So far, you have not met that burden. Every system will be abused by at least some people. It's not an argument to abolish the system entirely.
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@OldHickory1760 @BlackLanterrn @ChristianHeiens No problem. If youre willing to abide by the constitution and dont think it will destroy the country, you should stay.
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@ExistentialLab @BlackLanterrn @ChristianHeiens Relocate to where, am I to turn my back upon my nation and people?
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There is no such thing as the "rule of law". Laws are written, interpreted, and enforced by men. The law is whatever the ruling powers that be say it is.
Right now, the presumption is that the powers that be will declare the law says that anyone from the Third World can enter this country illegally, have a child, and that anchor baby will be considered "just as American" as someone whose ancestors can be traced back to the Mayflower.
But you are delusional if you think that state of affairs will last forever, with or without a Constitutional amendment.
Either birthright citizenship will be abolished one way or another, or the country to which that citizenship is conferred will eventually cease to exist.
Steven Godofsky@sgodofsk
Okay. Sorry to hear that. That's too bad, the law is what it is.
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@OldHickory1760 @BlackLanterrn @ChristianHeiens Its not. You should try to get an amendment if its really such a pressing issue. Otherwise you can relocate.
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@BlackLanterrn @ChristianHeiens Is it delusional to want to have my country preserved for my children and future generations?
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@DGarr51647 @conservmillen Hes being nice to Christian New Yorkers. Some people have the courtesy to be nice to people of other religions.
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@conservmillen As a Muslim he doesn’t believe Jesus sacrificed anything because he doesn’t think Jesus died on the cross.
He also believes the Bible has been corrupted, so why quote from it?
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I really don’t like hearing non-Christians talk about Easter as if it’s some abstract allegory. It’d be better not to talk about it at all.
Good Friday isn’t about sacrifice. It’s about Jesus’s sacrifice. God-made-flesh shed his blood on the cross for our sins, so that by grace through faith we could be forgiven and reconciled to God.
Acts 4:12: “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Mayor Zohran Kwame Mamdani@NYCMayor
Today, on Good Friday, we mark a day of sacrifice. Some New Yorkers will abstain from eating; others will spend hours without speaking. Faith, the Bible tells us, is belief in the things unseen. That belief is what will guide so many of our neighbors in solemn reflection and reverence. I wish all those observing Good Friday a blessed day of peace.
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@bishopsankey057 @LincolnFnLoud @ChristianHeiens That sounds like projection to me! I love the constitution. Its the MAGA people trying to trample the constitution and put their allegiance to Trump over the constitution.
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@ExistentialLab @LincolnFnLoud @ChristianHeiens Fuck you, you don’t give a shit about the constitution beyond its ability to let you do what you want
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Ever notice how the Constitution was utterly powerless to stop everything from COVID lockdowns to the explicitly anti-White/anti-Male DEI regime of the last dozen years, but it's now constantly being invoked to defend everything from giving citizenship to the children of illegals and CCP spies to sending unlimited sums of taxpayer money to the Progressive NGO complex?
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@LincolnFnLoud @ChristianHeiens You guys should try amending the constitution if you dont like it.
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@ChristianHeiens Pretty wild how a document that was written at a time when people were still burning witches is now used to render us completely defenseless as our country is pulled out from under us by foreign invaders.
It’s time to move on. You never agreed to a suicide pact
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@disrespectcrow @adamscochran Are you familiar with 'Local allegiance' in English common law? She was doing a straightforward application of 'local allegiance'. If I visit Japan, I owe local allegiance to their government and thus I can be punished by their government if I break the law.
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@ExistentialLab @adamscochran ...how does that have anything to do with her explicitly talking about wallet theft in Japan? Calvin's Case doesn't apply here. If you want to look smart, try being smart.
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Lmfao sit the fuck down.
She went to Harvard and served as a circuit judge.
You went to Chapman University and are an ambulance chasing personal injury firm.
I don’t think KBJ is an exceptionally strong Justice but she is qualified and is 10,000x more capable than you.
You did not know peers like her in your class, because people that capable didn’t go to Chapman.
The sheer audacity! Lol! 😂😂
Sam Mirejovsky@whatsrightsam
I went to law school People like KBJ are insufferable in class, they’re insufferable in practice, and they’re DANGEROUS on the bench High ideology Low IQ
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@disrespectcrow @adamscochran All this shows is you dont understand the meaning of allegiance in English common law.
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@adamscochran She equated jurisdiction to allegiance while immediately thinking about theft when opining citizenship. That's a level of incompetence or deliberate bias that should be disqualifying for any justice, regardless of appearance.
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@catchrindeoats @MelissaB63137 @TheLaurenChen They were not subject to US laws because the US had treaties with the Indian governments.
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@MelissaB63137 @TheLaurenChen Damn....You're as dumb as she is.
Uhh....Native Americans were subject to American laws but were never granted citizenship because they belonged to a different nation--tribe. Their tribe was their allegiance---not the USA.
Chew on that one.
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To be clear, the Japanese don't give criminals citizenship
They deport them
Because they're not idiots or insane
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
Justice KBJ: "If I steal a wallet in Japan, I am subject to Japanese laws….. in a sense, it's allegiance." Her case for birthright citizenship:
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@MsplacedBeachBm @data_republican Thats the way its used in English common law. Most of the RW accounts on here are too ignorant to know this though.
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@data_republican She was trying to say jurisdiction is equal to allegiance. It’s not and the argument, like everything else that comes out of her mouth, was stupid.
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Can someone please explain what going to Japan and stealing someone's wallet has to do with birthright citizenship? I don't get it.
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@data_republican KBJ used the English common law concept of juridiction/allegiance meaning you are subject to the laws of that nation. She used to example of someone stealing a wallet in Japan being subject to their laws. Some RW accounts took her out of context to suggest it was absurd.
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@furiouswhopper @harryfaery @srob_ Yeah , he said every other class of person except for children of foreigners diplomats. Its pretty clear what he mean. If he meant to say illegal immigrants are another exception, he would have said that, but he didnt.
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@harryfaery @srob_ It's right there, I can read. Are you claiming that this isn't a list but a wildly fragmented description of foreign diplomats only?
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Genuinely wild to include this passage and claim it supports your views!
Christian Heiens 🏛@ChristianHeiens
How fucking retarded do you have to be to believe that the original intent of the 14th amendment’s authors was for citizenship to be automatically granted to the children of tourists, illegals, and even enemy combatants who are being held on American soil? The man who wrote the amendment quite literally went on the Senate floor and publicly declared that it wouldn’t apply to foreigners or aliens.
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@ChristianHeiens If the Amendment is really that important you should think of some kind of trade with Dems. Maybe trade the electoral college or Citizens United or DC statehood or some Amendment dems want for an Amendment you want.
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Don't play coy with us. There is no possibility short of armed conflict for such an amendment to ever be passed.
Even if we fell on our hands and knees and begged Democrats to support this amendment for the sake of the nation that we both call home, they would still say "No" because they understand that demographic replacement and mass migration are indispensable tools for acquiring political power.
They will never give these things up, even if refusing to do so eventually results in the destruction of the very country they seek to rule over.
Pradheep J. Shanker, M.D.@neoavatara
If you don't like birthright citizenship...work on a constitutional amendment. If you are too lazy to do that, and do the hard work convincing the majority of Americans you are right...well, then you've answered your own question if that is what Americans want or not.
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@KingIronfoot @Zaphod_B_2025 @jkimballcook I mean, its pretty clear you're going to lose this case. You can either keep complaining on the internet or do something IRL.
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@ExistentialLab @Zaphod_B_2025 @jkimballcook People like to say this as though it changes anything but they know it won’t
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anyone who says it is suicidal to keep the same constitutional rule of law that has been the rule in the United States since the founding (with the exception of a few years with Dredd Scott) is just ignorant and hysterical
if there are good reasons to change that rule, amend it
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@KingIronfoot @Zaphod_B_2025 @jkimballcook You should get to work pressuring your rep to pass an amendment if this is such a pressing issue!
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@Zaphod_B_2025 @jkimballcook I really don't, no.
I care about my people, not any particular piece of paper.
I think the constitution is brilliant and contains a lot of valuable things. I also think it was written for a different nation than we have and scales poorly onto modern society.
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@sean91237 @DruidofNecro @Empty_America If your position was really popular it would be easy. Sadly its really unpopular.
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@DruidofNecro @Empty_America We both know it’s impossible to pass Amendments today.
But the SC can do anything the want.
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Well I mean we don't actually have to allow 8.5 month pregnant Chinese women to enter the USA to start with.
Screening for outright birth tourism is a choice that the administration could presumably enact at any time.
Upstate Federalist@upstatefederlst
Counterpoint: If I were the Chinese government, I would simply offer every pregnant woman a first class flight and 5-star hotel accommodations in the US at 8.5 months pregnant, wait 20 years, and then conquer the country. Why would I not do this?
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@HoodlumDoodlum @MitraHispana @BerzekSavant Except ice deports parents of US citizens all the time. The 'anchor' is a bit of rhethoric that doesnt reflect reality.
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@MitraHispana @BerzekSavant Oh goodness, you’d deport the mother if an infant, a small American baby!? How cruel!
(How do you think the “anchor” part of anchor babies works?)
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If the ambassador from Chile gives birth here her kid won’t automatically be a citizen. Everyone agrees.
If that same ambassador is fired & expelled the week before she’s due but she hides out & is illegally present here until she gives birth her kid is a citizen.
That’s absurd.
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@swamthetiber25 @JT_Great21 Yeah. It seems your objection is to certain versions of PSA, not PSA itself .
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I abhor reformed theology more than just about anything else on Earth.
Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) is problematic because it can imply a division within the Trinity, portraying the Father as punishing the Son rather than acting in perfect unity of will and love. It frames forgiveness as dependent on satisfying divine wrath through violence instead of as a free act of mercy, and can suggest God is bound by an external standard above Himself of retributive justice. It also raises coherence issues, such as how Christ’s finite suffering could satisfy an eternal penalty, and moral concerns about punishing the innocent when guilt cannot be transferred. Biblically and historically, PSA is difficult find as well.
𝕄𝕚𝕤𝕤𝕪@yesiwetmyplants
Either Christ bore your punishment, or you will. When Jesus hung on the cross, it wasn’t an example of just love only, it was substitution. He was wounded for transgressions that weren’t His. He was crushed for sins He never committed. That’s why the cross matters. If Jesus didn’t actually take the wrath you deserve for your sins, then that wrath still stands against you. God’s justice doesn’t disappear. Sin must be punished. The only question is, was it punished in Christ, or will it be punished in you?
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@swamthetiber25 @JT_Great21 The penalty is his death on the cross.
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@ExistentialLab @JT_Great21 what is the penalty? Is it torture and eternal separation that comes from the father?
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@swamthetiber25 @JT_Great21 Those aren't essential parts of PSA. You're taking issue some interpretations of PSA, not the essential fact that Jesus bore the penalty for our sins.
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Yes, in this example he died, that is the penalty of sin. We can all agree on this. That is different than the Father torturing the son. The father doesn’t look on the son in hate and anger, but in love at his sacrifice.
I mean no disrespect, but are you familiar with PSA as taught in reformed evangelical circles?
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