a/k/a Johnny Toledo

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX No, not per the words of Lord Jesus. Jn 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "#Father, the hour has come. Glorify #Your #Son, that #Your #Son also may glorify You,

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX He is the same GOD as was the God of moses and jesus and adam

So apparently I'm blocked from the thread, but I can continue this exchange here: And that’s exactly the difference between Islam and Christianity. In Islam, prophets are considered sinless by theological decree, not because their narratives show moral perfection. The doctrine defines the conclusion. In Christianity, the Scriptures openly record the failures of even the greatest figures: – Moses disobeyed and was barred from the land. – Noah got drunk. – David committed adultery and murder. Their flaws aren’t hidden, they’re part of the story. God uses imperfect people to accomplish His will, but they are not the moral standard. That’s what sets Jesus apart. He isn’t sinless by decree; He’s sinless by record. His life is the perfect example of what humanity was meant to be, His obedience, His submission to the Father, His teachings, and His character are the standard Christians follow. So when I asked for an immoral act Jesus committed, and you said He committed none, you actually affirmed the very point I’ve been making from the start.

[The Father in bible also clearly doesnt have any offspring.] -- FALSE Jn 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "#Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, Mat 17:5 a voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is #My beloved #Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" Your Allah is NOT the only true God that Lord Jesus spoke of in Jn 17.

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX That verse clearly says Allah doesnt have any offspring. The Father in bible also clearly doesnt have any offspring. So both are same.

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [The father and Allah is same. Jesus and Muhammad prayed to same God.] -- FALSE since that's impossible. Your Allah is NOT Father in any sense in Islam. Surah 43:81 Say: "#If (Allah) Most Gracious had a #son, I would be the first to worship."

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX The father and Allah is same. Jesus and Muhammad prayed to same God.

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX Is there a difference between God the Father & your Allah? Per Lord Jesus' words, your Allah is NOT the only true God. Jn 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "#Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Son of GOD and GOD are not same. Did both terms looks identical to you or you need a dictionary for that whether Son of God and God are same?

It's because Lord Jesus is the only true Son of God that He is divine as His Father, so He is rightfully predicated #God. Kind begets kind. Jn 1:1 and the #Word was #God Jn 5:18 making Himself equal with #God Jn 10:33 make Yourself #God Heb 1:8 But to the #Son He says: "Your throne, O #God

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [Show me the verse where jesus says "I am GOD"] -- You would not accept such a segment since you don't accept Lord Jesus' claim to be the Son of God before witnesses. Your demand is in vain.

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX You are living in your deluded world while christians all around the world are accepting Islam. Jesus is Human and NOT GOD. He didnt claimed to be GOD. Its a very simple word for jesus to tell "I am God". Show me the verse where jesus says "I am GOD"

[Son of God and God are not the same.] -- It's because Lord Jesus is the only true Son of God that He is divine as His Father, so He is rightfully predicated #God. Kind begets kind. Jn 1:1 and the #Word was #God Jn 5:18 making Himself equal with #God Jn 10:33 make Yourself #God Heb 1:8 But to the #Son He says: "Your throne, O #God

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Son of God and God are not the same. Does it look like same to you? Check your eyes next time

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX Why does your Quran provide a hypothetical conditional implication of worship vs shirk for the Son of God? Surah 43:81 Say: "#If (Allah) Most Gracious had a #son, I would be the first to worship."

Did Lord Jesus claim to be the Son of God before witnesses? Yes or No? Jn 10:36 ... ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the #Son of #God’? Luk 22:70 Then they all said, "Are You then the #Son of #God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am." Mar 14:61-62 But he was silent and did not answer. Again the high priest questioned him, “Are you the Christ, the #Son of the #Blessed #One?” “#I #am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

Did you affirm what Lord Jesus said here? Jn 10:36 ... ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the #Son of #God’? Luk 22:70 Then they all said, "Are You then the #Son of #God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am." Mar 14:61-62 But he was silent and did not answer. Again the high priest questioned him, “Are you the Christ, the #Son of the #Blessed #One?” “#I #am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

@Isaiah_LXX @InfinitelyManic Jesus never claimed divinity. He didnt say he is God. If jesus is God, its very simple term for him to say I am God. Why didnt he say that?

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [You show me the verse where jesus says he is God. Direct sentence] -- You would NOT believe it if you saw it since you see Lord Jesus claiming to be the Son of God before witnesses, yet you deny it.

@Isaiah_LXX @InfinitelyManic You show me the verse where jesus says he is God. Direct sentence

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX That's non-responsive to the question. What is your sacred source that states Lord Jesus sinned?

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX For that you need to accept jesus is human and not GOD

[He is a human still. So he is bound to make minor sins. small lapses, errors, forgetfulness, or unintended mistakes] -- FALSE since none of that is possible. [Thats what you need to understand about jesus] -- Lord Jesus does NOT display those faults. What is the source of your claims? Where is your evidence for such alleged behaviour? Islam energizes you to esteem Isa beneath your prophet, which is evident by your following, obeying & praying to your deceased prophet.

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX He is a human still. So he is bound to make minor sins. small lapses, errors, forgetfulness, or unintended mistakes Momentary lapses in judgment or human error These are all belong to every human being by nature. Thats what you need to understand about jesus

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [Thats basic english term, you csn search that online] -- You know that's not what I am asking. Different question: What is your sacred source that states Lord Jesus sinned?

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Thats basic english term, you csn search that online

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX Sir, from what source are you obtaining that definition???

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Thats the literal definition of absolute goodness. You should get yourself educated on english terms.

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [By nature, humans are bound to make mistakes and sin] -- What mistake or sin are you charging Lord Jesus with?

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Lord jesus is without sin is your church teachings sir. Thats not what the bible says. Bible says jesus is human. By nature, humans are bound to make mistakes and sin. Thats the basic thing even a child can understand

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [Absolute goodness requires perfect knowledge of all consequences, which humans do not have.] -- Where are deriving this statement from???

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Humans can only act according to what they know or perceive. Limited knowledge can lead to mistakes or unintended harm, even if intentions are good. Absolute goodness requires perfect knowledge of all consequences, which humans do not have.

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [So therefore, Jesus is not absolute goodness which he clearly conveyed in mark 10:18] <-- This response doesn't make sense logically. Lord Jesus is w/o sin, but your prophet was not sinless.

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX So therefore, Jesus is not absolute goodness which he clearly conveyed in mark 10:18

[Even isa or Jesus is not Absolute goodness.] -- Lord Jesus is w/o sin, so He is perfectly good. [So no one is greater than the other.] -- In your Quran, Isa alone is called the Word of Allah & Spirit of Allah & in our Gospel is the Word/Son of God the Father. Isa is greater than your prophet, yet Islam energizes you to follow, obey & pray to your prophet, not Isa.

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Even isa or Jesus is not Absolute goodness. Both are same in righteousness and moral character. All their message is same. So no one is greater than the other.

@irfanit93 @Isaiah_LXX [unlike human goodness, which is limited and flawed.] -- How is this so-called human goodness limited?

@InfinitelyManic @Isaiah_LXX Every prophet is human. No one is absolute good except God. Absolute goodness = the quality of being perfectly good in all respects. It is not dependent on anyone or anything else. It is unchanging, infinite, and complete — unlike human goodness, which is limited and flawed.