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given p(doom)~1, it would require preemptive strikes. any number of type I errors must be tolerated to forever prevent even a single type II.
Forever, even as chip tech improves far into the future. Sure, maybe you need a few tens of million dollars worth of cutting edge processors in a dedicated warehouse today, but what about in 50 years?
It would require an ever-growing totailtarion scope of surveillance, and even then would inevitably fail at some point.
Again, Yud's argument against individual violence applies equally to his plan.
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i really really hope people read this, it lays out the points i have been trying to make the last few days better than i ever could. unfortunately i'm quite sure i'll continue to be forced to partially and lossily re-argue fragments of it out of context right thru singularity
Eliezer Yudkowsky ⏹️@ESYudkowsky
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yeah sure, but unlike with nuclear proliferation, you can't be reactive in this case. it's not like the ntbt or the pnpt or npt have stopped the testing or proliferation of nuclear weapons from happening.
I have to break it to you, but it's not like the only large datacenters with the appropriate hardware are in the us and china.
and going to war after an asi is made doesn't undo it. all it tales is one mistake, one missed sign, one time, ever, and the whole thing fails and everybody dies.
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@duntsHat other countries don't need to sign up, as long as we have 2 global superpowers capable and willing to go to war to enforce . luckily the situation is not so bad that any arbitrary country could do this in their basement undetected, there would be signs, same as nuclear weapons
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@sporadica like anyone reads the NYT anymore...
seriously, how many years since you payed for a physical newspaper subscription, if ever?
stop pretending legacy print media matters (yes, print is loadbearing here)
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basically everyone with sense foresaw this
the issue is we’re anon shitposters and not CEOs of major AI labs so it’s not like the New York Times is publishing our thoughts on the matter
Joshua Achiam@jachiam0
The AI industry has largely failed to foresee the extremely foreseeable: most normal people think AI is scary because we had decades of science fiction about how scary AI is. We owe the public clear explanations of why we think this can be good and how to make it so.
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@duntsHat @BecomingCritter Yeah and we have lots of slimy stuff here too - like pickles. But you pickle a radish and use salt/sugar instead of vinegar and Americans lose their minds.
Or cheese, for crying out loud.
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close, but not quite.
I avtually mean they seem more conscious. like, I have no access to the interiority of your mind, but your seem conscious ("agentic") to me.
lots of people don't. they feel more like "I used to be an adventurer like you. Then I took an arrow in the knee" npc's.
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@duntsHat you mean they seem more thoughtful. that's an entirely different thing, may not even be correlated.
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as the inaugural e/acc post says,
"e/acc [..] values zero recognizable consciousness in the universe as the absolute worst outcome."
we don't know if digital minds can be conscious
this OUGHT to make e/accs very concerned about replacing us with digital minds
why doesn't it?
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Oh man, I'm in a similar state rn, new apt, makinf the place "ours", landlird enlisting me to do unpaid work.
But! As with you, the change is good! Just gotta grind thru the bs, physically/mentally/logistically.
As I'm sure you already know, you'll be better off on the backside of goinf thru this. But give yourself a day of rest from time-to-time. I basically didn't do shit today. And it kinda bothered her, but it had to happen.
Tame care of yourself, brother
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@duntsHat Yeah, I know. Thank you, though. A lot of it is good change - nice new (used) car, fixing things around the house, the work disruptions are bc they’re upgrading the building, hubs is at a cultural event with his family, etc. My mind knows these things, my body just feels “off.”
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It annoys me, honestly, that this resonates so much. But this whole week has been like that for me. Part of it is probably “big events”, part of it is more time away from hubs, part of it is disruptions in my office (scheduled). But yeah, I feel this.
17TBIYTC26@17TBIYTC23
Not looking for pity…just posing a question. Anyone else been down the last couple days? Like…really off…and borderline depressed? I’ve hydrated and worked outside/been active…but I just have a terrible feeling in my heart and gut. Can’t shake it. Anyone else? Or just me?
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@icpolicy @BecomingCritter natto isn't even gross at all. americans are just texture/moutfeels wimps, especially when it comes to "slimey"
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@BecomingCritter idk, natto isn't even close to the grossest soybean product, check out 毛豆腐 (hairy tofu) or a 腐乳 like 广合
Fermented fish is pretty common, viet fish sauce, worcestershire, or go nordic - it's actually delicious
I first had candied bugs in the US
Bee larvae is good btw
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@alwaysadblock @BecomingCritter nah, karage with a fresh lemon squeeze > KFC (tho KFC is also amazing)
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@BecomingCritter It's very good. But Korean Fried Chicken is maybe the one dish the Koreans do better than the Japanese. That and non-miso soups.
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if you've never had karaage you don't know what chicken can be
🇯🇵星空音夢🇯🇵🧀👮@hoshizorarock
アメリカ人よ🇺🇸 からあげを食べなさい。
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@kendrictonn you ought to check out Okinawa and the Yaeyama islands on a future trip, much earlier sakura blossoming!
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Long loop through town, visiting the park in the old star fort, and just looking. Might go back to the fort tomorrow to work on an architecture-focused piece, but mostly that'll be for when the cherry blossoms come
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the egotistical CANNON: the era of fortifications is OVER 😈
the devious STAR FORT: huehuehuehuehue
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I think the doomers need to take a serious look at what they have helped incite and not just rely on “we condemn this and have said this is not the rational response”.
This is the logical outcome of “If we build it everyone dies”.
Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼@DrewPavlou
I get that Yudkowsky formally condemns the attack on Sam Altman's home and that his book formally condemns acts of vigilantism. But I also think that if you were to take seriously the central thesis of his book - that AI execs are essentially working to bring about the extinction of humanity - it's not exactly a short leap to go from accepting that thesis to then acting out extra-legal violence
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please remember that i absolutely condemn violence against these people who want have you enslaved for life and then ensure your certain death
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if ANYONE stops ai development then we will ALL die of otherwise preventable illnesses
and even if you dont die, you will be forced to labor your entire life and will require tons of upfront capital in order to do anything significant
here is eliezer yudkowsky’s home address:
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@sriramk no, murdering random people does not prevent 'anyone from building it'. if murder is your default response when faced with any sufficiently bad thing, reevaluate. murder is bad *and* does not magically result in global coordination and treaties to 'not build it'.
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@justalexoki Well, he claims not to, though apparently only because the bad pr would jeopardize the international totalitarion surviellance state he is trying to build
duntsHat@duntsHat
@allTheYud @deepfates @gmiller also, what if killing sama meaningfully slowed ai progress, and didn't seay public opinion against your ideal totalitarian regime? still against it? even if it dropped p(doom) by multiple percentage points?
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i assume eliezer yudkowski and his pause ai friends love this?
hope hopes hoping@hopes_revenge
seems really bad
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