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Kurt Schlichter
Kurt Schlichter@KurtSchlichter·
You guys understand we’re going to lose the birthright citizenship case, right? Before you completely freak out, the traditional understanding of the 14th Amendment, which we are seeking to change, is not an insane reading of it. Nor are our arguments insane like the left has been same. That’s baloney to just shut us up. Neither side is frivolous. It’s a tough call legally and objectively speaking. But when we lose it, and I think we will, don’t freak out that this is some sort of conspiracy. It’s a hard legal decision. Sadly, we have three judges who aren’t even going to try to examine the question and will always vote for what leftists want. But the rest of the court has to make a tough legal call. I think our reading is the correct one. For various reasons, I think they’re going to rule against us. Don’t freak out when they do. It’s not an utterly irrational ruling like so many of the district court opinions we’ve seen.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@jmt5050 @JosephOnions @Wvv_70 @KurtSchlichter Can a foreigner visiting here vote in our elections? Are they subject to our income tax? Can they legally work? Do they owe a loyalty to another government? Being subject to our jurisdiction is more than merely being on our soil and having to obey traffic laws.
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Joseph
Joseph@JosephOnions·
@jaytedder @Wvv_70 @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter Yes, I'm certain the unprincipled Trump loyalists Alito & Thomas will agree with you. But no one else will. In what way does it mean under the jurisdiction?
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@JosephOnions @Wvv_70 @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter If the parents owe loyalty to another country, meaning they are citizens of another country, they are not under the jurisdiction of the US. They are just visiting. Yes, they must obey our laws while here, but they are not under our jurisdiction the way the amendment means.
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Joseph
Joseph@JosephOnions·
@jaytedder @Wvv_70 @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter It's a bad rule, but it says what it says. It's wild that so-called conservatives have now forgetten that words have meaning. Scalia is rolling in his grave.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@JosephOnions @Wvv_70 @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter Is there another country where they can vote and be drafted into their military? If you go to Japan, you are subject to their laws. You cannot vote in their elections. If you have a baby there, it will not be a Japanese citizen. This isn't that hard.
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Joseph
Joseph@JosephOnions·
@jaytedder @Wvv_70 @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter Those are two out of the ordinary examples. Are they subject to every other law? Required to pay taxes? It's a bad outcome, but every conservative should be calling for clear reading of the text.
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WvV
WvV@Wvv_70·
@jaytedder @jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter So simpleton reasoning. If i come to the US and kill your family, i wont go through the courts for my crimes? But only sent back to my country? No idiot i will be prosecuted, so im under the US juristiction. Get fucking educated
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Andrei A Dioumaev
Andrei A Dioumaev@ADioumaev·
@jaytedder @KurtSchlichter You DO realize that your own misreading would mean that Marco Rubio and Barron Trump would now AUTOMATICALLY be stateless non-citizens, YOU YOURSELF would be pressed to prove parental citizenship... but naturalized citizens like myself would become 1st class, above natural borns?
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@Brendan_Alter If a person can't be drafted into the military and can't participate in elections, are they under the jurisdiction of that country?
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Brendan Alter
Brendan Alter@Brendan_Alter·
This is why knowing a bit of constitutional law history helps. It's been a legal question debated by both sides for a long time, and the answer is by no means as obvious as you might think it is.
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@KurtSchlichter It's not utterly irrational to rule the 14th amendment means foreigners can come here, drop a baby on our soil, and that means their baby is a US citizen? Because that sounds completely irrational to me.

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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@UrsulaMayhem @KurtSchlichter Name the Dems you think would go for this. That has to include governors and state legislatures to become an amendment. Name them, please.
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Ursula Mayhem
Ursula Mayhem@UrsulaMayhem·
@jaytedder @KurtSchlichter I think that this particular issue could get across the finish line if Trump were to signal to GOP that he won't punish them for compromising. That's a big ask from him, though, and why he prefers his executive orders so much. But I think most Americans would be amenable.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@UrsulaMayhem @KurtSchlichter I would love it if that was a likely solution, but there aren't more than 1 or 2 Dems that would go for that, if that many. They are diametrically opposed to ANYTHING Trump wants to do, no matter how rational and beneficial it might be.
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Ursula Mayhem
Ursula Mayhem@UrsulaMayhem·
@jaytedder @KurtSchlichter We need to stop looking to SCOTUS to force our views on our opponents when we're frustrated with the legislative process. Let's compromise and pass laws that address the concern. Hopefully some bipartisan leadership can emerge to do something right.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter If they are not subject to be drafted into our military or eligible to vote in our elections, they are not under the jurisdiction of the US.
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PixelatedWhiteGuy
PixelatedWhiteGuy@jmt5050·
@jaytedder @KurtSchlichter People are typically subject to laws wherever they are. You know this. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
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🇺🇸 Mike Davis 🇺🇸
It appears as though the Supreme Court is going to constitutionalize birthright citizenship for Chinese birth tourists. This means Chinese nationals have their babies in America, return to China with these new American citizens, vote in our elections, and receive our benefits.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@jmt5050 @KurtSchlichter It says people subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Foreigners are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country.
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Jay Tedder
Jay Tedder@jaytedder·
@Chris196883 @KurtSchlichter If a person here isn't eligible to be drafted into military service, they are not under US jurisdiction. The 14th amendment clearly says people under US jurisdiction.
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