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@GraeSullivan
Opinionated curmudgeon in training. Views (which are my own) are likely to offend anyone slightly more left than left of center.
参加日 Ağustos 2017
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@Mullin_95 What formal agreement was signed where the US committed not to allow any nation to the East join Nato?
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@Tanja_Akl @dbseymour I don't think you know David Seymour. You know of him but that is obviously coloured by your preconceived bias.
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I have never known a worst person in politics than @dbseymour. A pure pathological evil.
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@SeanBallyturk Next I suspect you are going to claim the Armenian genocide never happened.
Read this:
greek-genocide.net/index.php/bibl…
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@GraeSullivan Not accurate imperial Christian centric history. Before WWI, the Gallipoli Peninsula was overwhelmingly Muslim and Turkish.
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@SeanBallyturk @JD27491 @FrankMcRae @AotearoaLib They didn't keep the Greeks or Armenians withing their Empire safe though.
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@JD27491 @FrankMcRae @AotearoaLib Ottomans WERE an empire but did manage to keep Arabs safe from white colonialism-which still provokes nationalism, promises freedom, then betrays, backstabs, invades, enslaves and destroys everything on it's way. Maybe look at the WORLD? Doesn't give you the right to do worse.
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@SeanBallyturk @Owtovit @FrankMcRae @AotearoaLib Are you aware the Gallipoli peninsular was majority Greek before WWI. The Ottomans ethnically cleansed it during the War
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@Owtovit @FrankMcRae @AotearoaLib Umm yes. 'Rebelling' and 'freeing' people for their petrol and only supporting feudal lords causes more slavery. It was way more democratic under the Ottomans actually.
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@CrScottMcKenzie That's the fault of the management of the Govt departments not the Government.
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@toddmstephenson There's a lot of cultural rituals embraced everyday that are treated as neutral because they come from or are endorsed by pakeha culture and I'm yet to see anyone from ACT saying anything about them. Why is that?
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Thank you to all the public servants who have been in touch this week expressing their concerns and experiences around the practice of karakia in their workplaces.
ACT believes the public service should be religiously and culturally neutral. No one should be forced, explicitly or otherwise, to participate in any kind of daily religious or culturally rituals as public service employees.
The public service should be focused on the delivery of better public services to benefit all New Zealanders.
ACT is happy for anyone to practice whatever religious or cultural activities they want outside of their roles as public servants and in their own time. This aligns with our vision for New Zealand as a modern, multi-ethnic, liberal democracy where we are all alike in rights and dignity. This is also in keeping with our liberal democratic traditions, commitment to universal human rights, and growing ethnic diversity.
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@MichaelFieldNZ These are mainly armoured cars. I doubt they are going to be used for anything more than riot control.
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@Liquid_Times National did not address the regulations impacting land use nor building supply costs pre 2017 nor did they seriously look at the issue with the costs of developining infrastructure. These are the areas the current Govt is tackling differently.
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris You have SOME evidence for your first assertion.
You have ZERO hard evidence for your second. As stated this is just your reckons. It is not backed up by any documentation nor from the actions of Hobson post the signing of the Treaty. In short - it is a fiction.
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@AlanWilkinsonNZ @GraeSullivan @maxdnharris I agree most of the settler titles were eventually confirmed & that the "Crown" required NZCo to pay compensation (albeit meagre).
that doesn't undercut my main points:
- most NZCo purchases were invalid
- the "Crown" tried but failed to preclude Wakefield mass colonisation
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris All he did was entirely consistent with the British establishing a British colony. You are claiming it was not this at all but designed to stop British settlement activity. The evidence does not support this.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris Apart from banning land sales, sending troops to reign in the Wakefields, dissolving the Wakefield’s democratically elected government, signing the treaty of Waitangi, shutting down a pro-Wakefield newspaper, and having a stroke?
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris If you had actual hard evidence for these claims rather than just your reckons people would take you more seriously. The British were extremely good at recording what they were doing officially as part of their administration. Is there anything from records that backs you up?
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris So? Sounds like Wakefield was trying (yet again) to restrain the Wakefields; he failed (yet again) because he acted too late (yet again) and too weakly (yet again) then Te Rauparaha and Te Rangihaeata solved the problem for him, definitively.
But I guess that’s Hobson’s choice.
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris What steps did Hobson do to stop settlement. Answer that question.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris "By [Hobson's] actions he seemingly went rogue and ignored his orders."
no, Hobson didn't.
but the NZ Co / Wakefields did:
acknowledged Hobson only at gunpoint
ignored Gipps & Hobson's ban on land purchases
ignored Te Raupraha enforcing that ban.
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris Wairau was an add on to the Nelson settlement. Not the core of it.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris I can't be bother chasing sources for you, but:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wairau_Af…
Arthur Wakefield "wished to make them a payment for the Wairau, but they positively refused to sell it, and told him they would never consent to part from it." - Spain.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris The Wakefields & NZCo "raced" to get the Tory & Aurora to NZ before Hobson got here, and before any treaty was signed.
why?
if "The Crown" was so pro-settlement, why race?
answer: they weren't in 1839; they were later on
I keep saying: the treaty was too late and a failure
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris "events, dear boy, events"
Hobson was reportedly "furious" about the Wakefields' colonisation efforts, and made the best of a bad situation with the resource that he had at the time.
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris Hobson was not gone when Nelson was set up. It was done in his second year as Governor.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris well remember how the Nelson settlement worked out?
Hobson was gone by then; FitzRoy confirmned Te Raupraha was legally right to wipe out Arthur Wakefield's surveyors.
EG Wakefield & settlers went ballistic, literally, got Gov Grey sent, who started jailing than shooting Māori
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris No. That is what YOU wish people to start from. As I have pointed out it has little basis in reality and certainly the actions if the person who authored the Treaty after it was signed goes against that view fundamentally.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris if e.g. one wants to discuss / intrepret the treaty,
then that's the basis from which interpretation should start.
starting from there - again pace Ned Fletcher - then differences between texts, and the actual original wordings and omissions - all make pretty consistent sense
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@jameskjx @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris Yet you persist with the fiction Hobson was tasked with the goal of STOPPING (not just restricting) British settlement activity. By his actions he seemingly went rogue and ignored his orders. Yet not one reprimand was issued against him for this gross breach of his mission.
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@GraeSullivan @AlanWilkinsonNZ @maxdnharris ...and"
- decreed pence-on-the-pound "compensation" to be paid to Iwi & Hapu - i.e the *actual* landowners -
- some iwi accepted that compensation, without prejudice
- some did not
- this was not willing-seller, willing-buyer, at a fair marked price - an ongoing treaty breach
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