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Waller

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Waller@Howd2375·5h

Frank talks about the Ausrottung of the polish people, but even orthodoxy doesn't claim they were killing poles in the same way as jews. Therefore, this extermination must refer to the polish intellectual class/nationalism

D-H@denying_history

Frank attempted to feign ignorance regarding the Final Solution, despite having submitted his own 30-volume diary that demonstrated the exact opposite. The Himmler tall tale you're citing was part of his defense examination. Check some of his diary: ns-archiv.de/personen/frank/

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Waller@Howd2375·6h

So you're saying that Himmler talked about german immigration (obviously not a euphemism for death), then suddenly he uses a euphemism regarding jews, and then immediately talks about "movements of people" again?

D-H@denying_history

Look, you can keep repeating anew the long-discredited assembly of sound bites by Mattogno and Graf. But you're ignoring that the Nazis associated deportations of populations with acts of mass murder, or what being "sent east" meant. holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2020/02/seriou…

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Waller@Howd2375·15h

Himmler said at a Kriegsmarine meeting in December 1943: "700.000 germans immigrated, two million foreigners emigrated. Such and such number of jews were brought to the East. Movements of peoples, which we call by great names in history..."

D-H@denying_history

Relevant information regarding this meeting from Longerich's biography of Himmler:

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PanEuropeanMovement@EuropeanPan·22 Oca

"Antisemitism is growing" (mostly among muslims). "There is a 500% increase in antisemitic acts" (almost exclusively by muslims). "It got worse after October 7th" (the mass murder of Jews by muslims.) This rabbi's conclusion? Let's team up with the muslims against the Europeans who are tired of muslim mass immigration.

Disclose.tv@disclosetv

NOW - President of the Conference of European Rabbis: "The rise of the extreme right in many European countries is a response to the insecurity felt by the old Europeans, 'so-called old Europeans,' regarding the new immigrants... fighting Islamophobia and antisemitism is in interest of both religions."

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Karl🔰🍄@fascism_kyaru·10 May

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B.M.@ireallyhateyou·1d

The great Jewish physician and scholar Maimonides: "With regard to a gentile idolater with whom we are not at war... we should not try to cause their deaths. It is, however, forbidden to save their lives if their lives are threatened. For example, if such a person fell into the sea, one should not rescue him. Leviticus 19:16 states: 'Do not stand idly by while your brother's blood is at stake.' This does not apply with regard to such individuals, because they are not 'your brothers.'" From Mishneh Torah, Murderer and the Preservation of Life, 4, 11

Hatzola@Hatzola

We’ve received many messages asking how to support our life-saving work following the devastating arson attack in Northwest London. If you would like to help Hatzola Stamford Hill continue responding to emergencies you can donate here: Hatzola.org/donate/ Your support at this time means more than ever. Thank you for standing with us.

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Imperator Philippus Arabus@PhilippusArabus·2d

1.) A pardon is forgiveness and carries the imputation of guilt. It is not exoneration. 2.) Pardons are meaningless to deceased individuals. 3.) The “pardon” was an apology by the state for failing to stop Frank's abduction, and explicitly takes no stance on his conviction.

ADL@ADL

Today marks 40 years since Leo Frank z"l was posthumously pardoned - a significant day in ADL history. Frank was lynched by a hate-filled mob in Georgia after being unjustly convicted of murder in a trial marred by antisemitism. May his memory be a blessing.

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Raphael Machado@camaradamachado·1d

O famoso elemento que era tão podre e vil que até a Ku Klux Klan ficou contra ele pra defender um homem negro inocente acusado de um estupro cometido que o ídolo da ADL havia cometido.

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Waller@Howd2375·1d

Another example is a statement by Hans Frank in which he mentions Himmler denying the rumors

D-H@denying_history

lol I’m not reading all that, but unironically citing Himmler’s self-serving lies after he issued his Oct 1944 stop order and betrayed Hitler is wild.

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Waller@Howd2375·1d

@beckerquim Bem, na verdade essa citação do Mufti é fácil de entender. Himmler obviamente deve ter usado uma palavra alemã nas conversas com ele, então ele deve ter usado "Ausrottung" e o Mufti apenas traduziu literalmente

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⃟@beckerquim·1d

@Howd2375 Mas supostamente, Himmler teria dito ao Mufti de Jerusalém que 50% das vítimas do holocausto (3 milhões) teriam sido mortas em julho de 43, que não bate muito com os supostos 80% em fevereiro (citada no texto do sujeito), o método é, chute números.

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Waller@Howd2375·1d

Himmler speaks about past actions, nothing prevents him from possibly referring to the general context of the deportations, and this includes 1942

D-H@denying_history

It cannot, you’d have to have zero mental faculties to believe that. Additionally, learn about the topic before you choose to deny it. The residual intact Jewish populations in October 1943 were either in states which ceased to cooperate or that chose to not deport their Jews.

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Waller@Howd2375·1d

@beckerquim Eu fiz um post dias atrás mostrando um discurso público de Hitler em que ele fala sobre o extermínio (Ausrottung) dos judeus, a mesma palavra usada em Posen. Se Ausrottung realmente significava extermínio físico, Hitler jamais falaria sobre isso em público, ele usaria outro termo

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⃟@beckerquim·1d

@Howd2375 ainda faltava muita coisa, como o assassinato dos judeus húngaros em 44, logo, se fosse alguma alusão ao "holocausto", seria, no mínimo, incoerente Himmler citar tal evento como já "finalizado".

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Waller@Howd2375·1d

Himmler was one of the first revisionists

D-H@denying_history

That past action was the near eradication of Eastern European Jewry. The issue is that you are a motivated reasoner. You keep saying "he could mean," but anyone who listens to the full 5 minutes knows Himmler's unambiguously stating that they are killing people.

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Waller@Howd2375·4d

No one denies that the resettlement was violent and that many Jews died during the process from famine, disease and suicide. They had to dispose of hundreds of corpses, and that was no easy task for anyone

D-H@denying_history

@NumarPatru @Howd2375 Expecting them to actually read the speech is probably setting your bar way too high.

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Waller@Howd2375·4d

This can be interpreted in other ways, since in October 1943 there were still many jews in the occupied areas according to orthodoxy. When he says "to kill this people who wanted to kill us" it gives the impression that the process was complete

D-H@denying_history

You're focusing on a tangential issue. If you want proof to the contrary, consider Joseph Billig's entry in Klarsfeld's Neo-Nazi Mythomania, Eberhard Jäckel's David Irving's Hitler or John Zimmerman's Holocaust Denial. Posen is featured much less. That aside, this is the issue:

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Waller@Howd2375·5d

Try it yourself. Go to the main websites about the Holocaust and you'll always see Posen speech highlighted; often Hitler's speeches aren't even mentioned. This isn't new, it also happened at the Nuremberg trials encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/art… encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/art…

D-H@denying_history

Hitler’s speeches receive greater attention. Posen may receive more attention from anti-denial laymen - to give you a concession you haven’t earned. But this is largely due to the fact any denialist translation of Ausrottung becomes increasingly awkward the more you translate.

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Waller@Howd2375·5d

What I meant is that these speeches don't receive the same attention as the Posen speech, and that's due to the emphasis placed on the confidentiality of the Posen speech. Despite this, we don't hear Himmler talking about mass graves, gas chambers and other things of that nature

D-H@denying_history

“Hitler's speeches (saying the same thing [as Himmler]) are not?» This is just objectively not true. Hitler’s public speeches about his “prophecy” appear in almost every major work I’ve read. Browning, Longerich, Friedländer, Cesarani, etc cite some of the 4 public addresses.

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Waller@Howd2375·6d

@Confiem369 Na verdade os rumores sobre as câmaras já haviam surgido em 42, então é bem provável que isso tenha chegado até ele mas ele não comprou a história

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Confiem🏴‍☠️❤️‍🔥@Confiem369·18 Mar

@Howd2375 Seu ponto no caso é que mesmo sabendo sobre deportações e extermínios, ele não tinha conhecimento sobre as câmaras de gás, exclusivamente, devido elas serem uma narrativa posterior?

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Waller@Howd2375·17 Mar

"Um católico não pode negar o Holocausto, Pio XII sabia do genocídio e só não falou sobre isso por medo de represálias de Hitler" Como isso explica, por exemplo, um discurso feito por ele em Junho de 1945 em que ele sequer menciona os judeus? A Alemanha já estava derrotada e+

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Waller@Howd2375·6d

"Obscure the overall truth" And wouldn't the "Ausrottung" be the overall truth, following the historians' interpretation of Posen? Have you ever wondered why Posen speech is widely used as evidence, but Hitler's speeches (saying the same thing) are not?

D-H@denying_history

I addressed your "big dilemma" in my original post, yet you've chosen to ignore it. No serious person claims that the Nazis only "spoke in euphemisms" or that the Holocaust wasn't an "open secret." The Nazis aimed to conceal specific details and obscure the overall truth.

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Waller@Howd2375·6d

@JosGabrielBent8 @ben05589301 @tonyrigatonee Yes, strong evidence of this is Forrestal diaries