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@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism. All three oppress, and were oppressed. For centuries and centuries.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 I think that you over generalizing. Saying that all religions are oppressed and oppress is arguing in bad faith.

Why do Muslims avoid talking about how Muhammad actually died—who killed him and why?

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yes, and the success of Christianity is due to its adoption by the Romans who spread Christianity by the sword for centuries.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Also, Islam didn't spread like wildfire and you know it. It spread like a military/political campaign. There were motives that included conquest, wealth and political power. To compare this to early Christians who were brutally killed for their faith is disingenuous at best

@MrSparkums @AreOhEssEyeEe I would say Christianity isn't Biblical. In that Jesus wasn't the Messiah prophesied about in the Old Testament.

@ImmutableXY @AreOhEssEyeEe Why do you speak English?

I'm probably going to get some hate for saying this, but I don't care. Organized religion is one of the biggest cons ever pulled on humanity. I'm not talking about believing in God. I'm talking about following an organized religion. It's all lies. All of it.

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 There are martyrs in all religions. Christianity is not special. No. I'm saying many different religions have grown in the face of oppression and persecution. Oppression and persecution can be a galvanising force.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 So your claim that resurrection and miracle accounts, that were convincing enough to die for, were common in that time/place would result in the birth of many religions. That just isn't the case. The evidence was convincing enough for only one

@MrSparkums @AreOhEssEyeEe I don't know what you mean by 'it'.

@ImmutableXY @AreOhEssEyeEe Who spread it mainly?

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yes, all religions are persecuted and oppressed. And all religions persecute and oppress. It depends on your definition of 'early' and 'widespread'. It seems to me you're exaggerating.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 On contrary, we have secular evidence for widespread and brutal oppression and persecution of early Christians. This would not be possible if it was a small private affair

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 The religion was adopted by the Romans in the 4th century, and then Christians became the persecutors. Yet only one religion (Islam) spread like wildfire thought the Arabic world. Yet only one religion (Hinduism) spread like wildfire though South Asia. So?

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Resurrection and miracle claims were common at the time, and yet only one religion spread like wildfire throughout the Roman world, so as to attain national status, in spite of brutal/deadly oppression 🤔 what was different about this resurrection and miracle claims?

@AndrewDavid @Saffron_Sniper1 And faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. Which is why almost all religions venerate it. I was a Christian, until I probably studied the Bible. Then it became clear this religion can't be true. It was a long and painful deconversion process.

@ImmutableXY @Saffron_Sniper1 All you need Is Faith in Jesus Christ and the Gospel 👈 You will not come to the truth without first believing on Jesus. I have peace because of my faith You sound conflicted, so keep doing your research, eventually God willing it will click in your mind

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@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 You've quoted a couple of passages which indicate an ethos, not anything about the practical reality. Worshipping a different king in public would result in arrest, and potentially death. Early congregations were small private affairs.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 I think that I produced enough evidence that Christianity wasn't a secretive affair, and would have invited wide spread antagonism from the Jews and later the Romans

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Christianity isn't cohesive, or consistent (there are thousand of denominations). Views vary wildly, because the texts aren't coherent. Resurrection claims were common in Greco-Roman culture at the time. As were miracle claims etc. It's a natural product of the culture.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 I disagree, I believe the origin of a religion is key to understanding it. And even if the religious texts are written by it adherents, the narratives and teachings can be studied for internal (logical) consistency, cohesion and consistency within historical context

@MrSparkums @AreOhEssEyeEe You've lost me here. But most history has spread to the ends of the earth. It's called Globalisation.

@ImmutableXY @AreOhEssEyeEe And your people, do they have an accurate recorded history that has spread to the ends of the Earth exactly as foretold, through a peculiar people, who were not Jews?

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Impressive claim👍

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 More than that, claimed to have seen him alive: “and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.” 1 Corinthians 15:8

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yes Paul is doing a good job as CEO of nascent Christianity. Rousing the troops. Christianity was still a tiny religion at this time.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Thessalonians is believed to be the earliest epistle, shows them preaching everywhere, consistent with Matthew: “The Lord’s message rang out from you not only in Macedonia and Achaia—your faith in God has become known everywhere..." 1 Thessalonians 1:8

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 If those eyewitnesses were children at the time, maybe. i.e. unreliable. Life expectancy was in the thirties (but this is exaggerated because of high infant mortality). The gospels being potentially based on eyewitness testimony is the best you can do.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 The gospel of Matthew is believed to have been composed in the last quarter of the 1st century. That's the scholarly consensus and it's within the generation of eyewitnesses to the events, especially if it was composed of earlier circulating sources.

@MrSparkums @AreOhEssEyeEe Yes, the people who wrote the Bible were ignorant. Incredibly so, by modern standards. It makes sense that their stories would tend towards the fantastical.

@ImmutableXY @AreOhEssEyeEe Yes obvious strawmen. Consider what "the whole world" meant to an Israelite? Localized shared experience, handed down from oral tradition would fit this scenario. Look it up, YE Creation is less than 200 years old. Schofield/dispensatonal garbage. "fountains of deep"

@AndrewDavid @Saffron_Sniper1 I would say faith is not a reliable pathway to truth. Otherwise all religions would be true, as would all the thousands of different denominations of Christianity. Which they cannot be.

@ImmutableXY @Saffron_Sniper1 You are trying to understand the mind of God That's no small feat That's why Faith It's good that you are trying though, so keep it up 👍

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 I don't know that. You are pretending to be a mind reader. Matthew and Luke are late 1st Century. All nascent religions could have been 'disproven' by sceptics. These books aren't written by sceptics, tho. They're written by true believers who probably wouldn't listen anyway.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 You pick on the gospel of John because you know the authorship of the 3 other gospels is much earlier in time, and also mentions the tomb. Likely within the lifetime of the apostles. Each religion had unique characteristics with regard to its origins, its not all the same

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yes, in a mass grave. He doesn't mention a tomb (reserved for the rich), or Joseph of Arimathea. Obviously Paul believed Jesus resurrected: 'If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith'

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Paul claimed Jesus was buried, though no tomb is mentioned, it means that Paul believed there to be a place that used to house Jesus' corpse, that was now empty

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yeah, in a mass grave. As would have been the case for a poor Jewish man.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Wait a minute, Paul mentioned a burial: "That Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures." 1 Corin 15:3-4

@Ron172892111531 @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Yes, actually. I encourage you to read about the subject. It was a practical necessity. Quoting Matthew (which was written more than a generation after Jesus' death) means little.

@ImmutableXY @pr0fxavier @PragmaticMaemae @FarazPervaiz3 Far from it, one of the very foundations tenants from Jesus was: “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” Matthew 28:19