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@OGG7uk @Matronincharge @CarolGill1 @SandyofSuffolk Working, earning too much for child benefit, some savings, paid off student loans (after 20 years). I don’t think I should be receiving anything but the idea “the young receive thousands” is nonsense.

@secondgengamer @Matronincharge @CarolGill1 @SandyofSuffolk Are you working? Not working? Whats your age? Have you a lot in savings? Explain why you receive nothing..I maybe able to help point you in the right direction..

Isn't it funny how so many people resent pensioners getting £954 every 4 weeks, but they're happy to fund millions of working age people sitting on their bums all day watching TV because they claim to be anxious, or illegal immigrants living it up in warm hotels eating three meals a day. Strange old world.

@JacquelineF64 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 My grandmother was born in 1918. If you’d told me she lived most of her adult life without them, fine. But she is a long, long way before the boomers many of whom are in their early to mid 60s now.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Well he is in the minority then, because most working class people in the sixties, never owned one.

Younger generation to pensioners: "Why didn't you save more into a private pension?" Because most women stayed at home to look after your mums and dads and so didn't earn anything, let alone save anything. And your granddads were struggling to pay the 14% mortgage rates. And any 'pin' money your nans earned from little part time jobs was spent spoiling you on days out at the seaside, birthdays and Christmas and slipping your mum and dad a few quid on the sly when they were a bit hard up. Just so you know.

@JacquelineF64 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 I don’t know if he did in the 60s. He was still a child for about half of them. The question was for his adult life. He was 40 in 1986 and is 80 now. We certainly had these mod cons in the 80s. I honestly think we’re confusing his parents generation of adults with the boomers.

@NigelXYYMan @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 My brother doesn’t have a dishwasher now. And the OP referred to boomers but many of the responses seem more linked to the parents of boomers. I don’t disagree that some of these things were true for some people but I dislike disingenuous attempts to explain things.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 We had a washing machine, but you have dishwashers. My parents didn’t have a freezer until a lot later in life and we didn’t have huge supermarkets where everything is cheap to buy. All parents used to queue at the petrol station around the block before the fuel went up

@jayjay749 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Even if it was 1980 it would be the majority of boomers adult life. The oldest boomers were 34 in 1980. They’d been adults for at most 16 years at that point and are more likely to have automatic washing machines as younger consumers with families to wash for.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Wikipedia, says well into the 70s Because it became dominant then doesn't mean that the majority of the working class had it.

@jayjay749 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Can’t find precise data but automatic washing machines did become dominant in the 1970s which for the oldest boomers was when they were in their early 30s and for the youngest boomers in their teens. Certainly most of their adult life.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 How many were automatic rather than twin tub?

@SandraF74372594 @jayjay749 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 I’m not. The OP said that boomers didn’t have these things. If you were born in 1964 your parents probably weren’t boomers. By the time you were an adult in 1982, these things were pretty wide spread and you weren’t doing the things that the original post complained about.

@secondgengamer @jayjay749 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 I was born in November 1964. My parents didn’t have a washing machine, a fridge or a freezer. We didn’t have a car until I was 14. You need to stop assuming that your experience was the same as everyone else’s. It’s tedious and not terribly intelligent.

@jfoster2019 @kellro36 @32a80064 @SandyofSuffolk On reflection, if I were a bot, I could just say anything to such a silly question that’s completely unverifiable.

@secondgengamer @kellro36 @32a80064 @SandyofSuffolk Name ?

@jfoster2019 @kellro36 @32a80064 @SandyofSuffolk I’d rather not share on x as I choose not to. Doesn’t make me any less real and my questions any less real.

@jayjay749 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Evidently he is pretty average. He became and adult in 1964 by which time most of these things were pretty common.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Your dad is not the average working class person then.

@jfoster2019 @kellro36 @32a80064 @SandyofSuffolk Sadly not. Just a member of the electorate asking some pretty basic questions.

@kellro36 @32a80064 @secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk Agree 👍

@kellro36 @jfoster2019 @32a80064 @SandyofSuffolk I’m really not! I’m a hard working person who lives in South London. It’s a good way to avoid challenging questions though.

@jfoster2019 @32a80064 @secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk It’s a bot 🤖

@jfoster2019 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Is this really the quality of our politicians? Do stop shirking your political responsibilities and save the state pension you say you care about by making changes that mean it can last into the future. Also, be willing to stand up to the simplest of challenge.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Do stop nitpicking and go away !!

@JacquelineF64 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 What do you even mean? My dad became an adult in 1964. By then these mod cons were pretty common as evidenced here. By the time I was born in the late 70s they were pretty widespread and we had them in a pretty working class house. That is definitely most of his adult life.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Liar.

@jfoster2019 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 What do you mean and?! It’s a direct response to Sandy saying it wasn’t the norm for boomers when it evidently was?!

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 And ?

@SandyofSuffolk @jfoster2019 @32a80064 But it evidently WAS the norm. By 1960 most houses had fridges, washing machines and vacuum cleaners. By 1980, which is more than half of the life of a 90 year old, they were pretty ubiquitous.

@secondgengamer @jfoster2019 @32a80064 You may have doesn't mean it was the norm.

@jfoster2019 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 And to be clear, I too will defend the state pension. I’ll defend it so firmly that I can see that changes, like means testing, are necessary and the current crop of politicians are too cowardly to actually act because it might lose them votes. Shirking responsibility.

@secondgengamer @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 I’m a boomer 🤷‍♀️…I do know what a boomer is ! So I was brought up with the situation as was .. which fortunately improved as I got older !!

@jfoster2019 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Then when did you answer about your mother’s experience not the boomers the OP commented on? You had a TV in 1956 (before average). Fridges become common in the 1960s and washing machines around the same time. Most “boomers” grew up with them their entire life.

@SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 Was your mum born after 1946?

@secondgengamer @32a80064 Good for him. My mum didn't.

@jfoster2019 @SandyofSuffolk @32a80064 The question isn’t about your mother. It said boomers. Boomers started in 1946 and ended in 1964 meaning my father is one of the oldest. I’m now 46 (having lived more than half his life) and we certainly the majority of these “mod cons” and we were certainly working class.

Good for him .. As a child my mother had .. No washing machine No fridge No dryer No central heating No telephone No TV 📺 (until I was 9) She went back to work (in a factory) when I was 2 .. no work pension .. married woman’s stamp ! to supplement my father’s wage ( a lorry driver ) no work pension .. 3 children .. family allowance for one child .. no other benefits.. Blue collar families.. so not uncommon.. Not a ‘poor me’.. just facts because we didn’t know anything different.. No one expects that to be the case these days .. but when you hear some of the criticism posed at pensioners and the misinformation posted it really irritates me ! Most people would barely survive the conditions many grew up in .. but we were a resilient lot .. fortunately !! No one had time to have ‘mental health’ issues despite thousands of War veterans who were obviously unwell ! and the mothers who were subjected to air raids and food shortages for 5 years ..not knowing if they’d have a husband at the end of it ! So when we are spending more on ‘welfare’ than the total income tax take .. on many people who won’t get out of bed 🛏️ in the morning and those who’ve never worked a day in their adult lives .. I will defend the State Pension and the ‘triple lock’ to protect it !!