Bryn Apollo

@solidasaplant @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou C’mon. U can’t be this stupid. Most of the extra land in second picture was never solidified as part of the empire. Dacia, Mesopotamia, Armenia, that chunk in Arabia were never part of the empire for very long. The only stable addition was modern day England and Wales

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou lol

@solidasaplant @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou That’s just wrong. Most of the building of the empire was under the republican system, and then the monarchical system mostly just managed the decline until 1452. It was very gradual but a decline nonetheless

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Caesar’s Rome hadn’t reached anywhere close to the extent of the territory it would later and hold onto for centuries, especially if we include Eastern Rome which lasted until the 15th century. Odd to call that a “gradual fall”

@60_healey @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Oh yeah “bricks to marble”. That’s a real thing that happened and not just a propaganda quote. Also, two centuries of peace? Damn you really just never question propaganda quotes

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou You actually think the late Republic, Sula et al, was worth preserving or even .. Caesar’s led to Augustus who took Rome from bricks to marble and bringing about two centuries of the Roman peace until the death of Marcus Aurelius This has to have been posted by a parody

@PraetorPatrick @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Lol sure

@BrynApollo @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou

@PraetorPatrick @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Well the word “genocidal” equally applies to all of them regardless of the reason why they committed the genocide. This is how words work. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk

@BrynApollo @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou "genocidal" dis nigga implying Gauls were human "so much better than Hitler, Stalin, Mao" 🎶 one of these things is not like the other

@PraetorPatrick @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou It’s incredible how much you admire a genocidal tyrant who broke every law, stole money from everyone, and slaughtered his own fellow Romans by the thousands in order to secure absolute power over everyone’s lives. Yes, he’s so much better than Hitler or Stalin or Mao. Definitely

@BrynApollo @UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou it's incredible that anyone can actually believe this

@PhilippusArabus @JTAlexander_ Imagine always believing the state propaganda put out by the most powerful people in government. I know not everything rumored is true, but if you think Nero was a good guy then you probably also think that Castro and Stalin were good guys

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ Imagine getting all your information about Trump from someone like Rachel Maddow. That's essentially the nature of most extant histories of the Emperors. It's doubtful Nero was as bad as he's made out to be…

I dislike the *meme* of Roman History, because while many people know gists and vibes, they don't seem to know the particulars. A good litmus test is one's view of the Late Republic. If someone speaks fondly of the Late Republic, they are most likely either a rube or projecting. Our Founders, for example, projected their Enlightenment views onto a Republic that held virtually zero of those views. (See pic related; in this instance I don't apply it only to modern Leftists, but Classical Liberals in general.) Caesar didn't just appear out of nowhere. The only truly unprecedented things Caesar did was cross the Rhine and the English Channel. He wasn't even the first to "cross the Rubicon" in his own lifetime. If you know the detailed history of the Republic, rather than act like its final demise was some tragedy forced by the tyrannical mad dog known as Gaius Julius Caesar, you'd recognize that it was a terminally sick institution in the midst of collapse that was ultimately *saved* by Caesar's consolidation of power, his leaving it to the Triumvirate, and then Octavian's re-consolidation of that power into one supreme First Citizen. The Principate didn't create some new Office of the Emperor. Octavian consolidated power that already existed in various forms so that rather than a bunch of guys fighting civil wars over and over, which were frequent events, there was some stability. This stability led to the most widespread period of peace the world would know for more than a thousand years in either direction. If you consider this a bad outcome, then you're just not a serious interlocutor.

@LargeJezzy @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Lol, ok you got me there

@BrynApollo @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Says the cock smoker of Cicero

@LargeJezzy @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Lol, and you’re the type of guy who would suck dictator dick

@BrynApollo @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou You're retarded

@El1asBryan @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou It wasn’t perfect. It had problems. And also, it was overthrown by a genocidal, thieving tyrant who proved that he was willing to do absolutely anything for more power and wealth. This didn’t solve any of the main problems long term

@BrynApollo @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou The Roman Republic was a de facto oligarchy with some democratic features which did plenty of tyrannical things throughout its existence (like killing the Gracchi brothers). Acting like it was a beacon of democracy overthrown by a tyrant who started a dark age is incredibly dumb.

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ You’re getting so specific as to be irrelevant to the conversation. You don’t think that there are people who, if given monarchical power, would increase the castrations, or rape, or pedophilia? It all depends on the particular monarch. Some would absolutely make things worse

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ The system that we have currently rewards behavior that is worse than anything done by any Roman emperor No Roman emperor chopped the penises off hundreds of thousands of boys They face no punishment for that…. No punishment for letting pedophiles out of prison to rape children

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ Well now we’re just talking about a lot of specific things that have nothing to do with any system. There’s no reason to believe that the establishment of a monarchical royal dynasty would fix all the problems without creating any new ones. You’re just flailing in desperation now

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ Okay SCALE man How many children will be raped by MILLIONS of child rapist being brought in from the worst 3rd world shitholes on planet earth How many Americans will die at the hands of the illegals that were let in, etc “Mass murdering” emperor won’t have body counts that high

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ Worse than anything a Roman emperor did? Dude, there were several emperors that were rapists, mass murderers, and pedophile child abusers. Tiberius essentially had his own little Epstein island on Capri

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ I’m sure that’ll be worse than Joe Biden letting in millions of 3rd world retards to scam welfare and kill Americans I’m sure that will be worse than transing kids We’ve already experienced things worse than any Roman emperor ever did

@UkinSum @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou True, but that doesn’t mean that Caesar wasn’t a tyrannical piece of shit. He was the perfect piece of shit for that particularly shitty moment in Roman history

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Rome was already on the fast track to dictatorship for years, at the very least post-Sulla

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ Lol, yes I can’t wait to be ruled over by the Caligula of the Trump dynasty

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ It’s like America today We don’t have enough quality men to maintain this shit We would be better off if trump abolished the senate and fixed our problems

@LargeJezzy @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou Yes, a lot of stupid things happened that didn’t fix the problem of Caesar being a tyrannical piece of shit. Despite the fact that it didn’t fix the problem, Caesar absolutely deserved to be assassinated

@BrynApollo @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou This guy might be evil so we murdered him and whoops we accidentally empowered his heir who now is going to kill us all and plebs are pissed at us because they loved him and oh shit now he's emperor

@ZakMndebele @JTAlexander_ I’m comparing the entire history of the republic to the entire history of the post-republic monarchy. And it’s not objectively factual that it was somehow a clear improvement to have degenerates like Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero ruling things.

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ Your point is simply factually incorrect; the Principate was a clear improvement over the late Republic in terms of peace, stability, and governance. At most, your critique applies post-Commodus and into the Crisis of the Third Century, not to the Pax Romana.

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ Yes, I agree. That’s my point. Any particularly virtuous society of people will establish and maintain a republic. But if your society is full of, or at least ruled by, degenerate barbarians, then inevitably you’ll get monarchy. Monarchy depends on degenerate barbarism

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ They’re common bc most societies don’t have the luxury of being a republic You need a large number of really smart and virtuous people to even give it a try…. But they degenerate over time And give way to the historic norm (1 guy running the show)

@El1asBryan @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou My god. North Korea is horrible because there’s nothing republican about it other than the Orwellian name of the government. The political system is a de facto hereditary monarchy in every way. Lol, you’re just proving my point

@BrynApollo @CaravelCapitan @JTAlexander_ @DrewPavlou You sound like someone ignoring all of the issues in North Korea because they’re called a Republic.

@SenatorBeau @JTAlexander_ I know it’s like the chicken or the egg sometimes, but there’s a direct correlation between lack of civilized virtue and inability to have a functioning republic. Monarchies are common throughout history because anyone can do them, even total barbarians

@BrynApollo @JTAlexander_ Lmaooo Believing systems create the men makes no sense What system build the American founders? What system build the Romans who created the republic They came from monarchies Why weren’t they “degenerated” Republics are what you build when you have margins for error