@MordenReiter I'm honestly not convinced on the Jjaro being human. You have to work backwards from Halo to come to that conclusion imo.
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Gee, it's almost like, from the first fucking game forward, this was completely obvious to anyone who actually paid attention.
If only Bungie had left behind some clues to literally spell things out for us... hmm...
Sandy Petersen 🪔@SandyofCthulhu
Okay let me make this clear. From 2005-2009 I was the guy in charge of the Lore on the Ensemble Studio project "Titan" which was an MMO explicitly set during the Forerunner times, before the Halos were set off. This was done WITH THE BLESSING of Bungie, who sent us all sorts of information so we could get things right. We also had permission to add our own stuff but Bungie would have to approve it. And YES THE FORERUNNERS WERE HUMANS. They were super-elite humans, and Earth was specifically a world which puzzled them because there were humans on it and they couldn't figure out how humans got there. So they protected and preserved Earth. Which is why the Halos didn't kill us. That said, Bungie is obviously free to change their backstory however they please. But in the early 2000s, Forerunners were absolutely human.
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@zitchell_ These heathens don’t know about Frankinsense and Myrrh
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@AbeTheShinzo This video is really funny if you actually watch the show and realize they spend 75% of the runtime talking about how there is an inevitable end and how they can't enjoy the times permanently, like the show is the complete opposite of what he thinks it is lmfao
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@DespairCake1000 Yeah but you miss out on the 1 interesting idea this game has without Maruki
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I've come to think that there's no reason not to play this instead of Royal, assuming you want a cohesive RPG experience. Royal has such nonexistent balancing that it drives me crazy. Like the game is fighting you to make itself easier at every turn even if you handicap yourself.
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@CactusFuturist Go back to your gay anime you disgusting twink phaggot
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I do at least think people unfairly hallucinate this idea that he covertly sabotaged Halo 3's story with the terminals; that's just not really true at all
RealHaloFan@RealHaloFan
People do not hate Frank O'Connor enough
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@VNanon_ I always thought that CEA should have been an expansion campaign for Reach just like ODST was to Halo 3.
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nothing screams Marathon to me quite like big long essays about item economies and drop chances, truly this is the worthy continuation of my favorite abstract 90’s shooter.
Marathon Development Team@MarathonDevTeam
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@MordenReiter @CactusFuturist @Griff403 I don't think the movement of terminals is indicative of anything beyond adding importance to the set of terminals in Never Burn Money. People forget about the other terminal, but I consider it part of the same story (which would later become The Pocketknife story in Infinity)
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@MordenReiter @CactusFuturist @Griff403 I should've included the full Kirkpatrick email, he name drops The Garden of Forking Paths in it.
As for Kirkpatrick's intentional forgetfulness, he loves the players having to figure it out themselves.
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The thing is, this "twist" is already baked into Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3. It's even referenced in ODST and Reach. Three characters outright tell you what's up in Halo 3. It was always there. Halo 2's cut story material here was just yet another [overt] way of spelling it out
💜🎃 Connor Dawn 🎃💜@TheConnorDawn
In my opinion, I think this twist would've made Halo just another boring Sci-Fi where humanity is actually the super secret ultra awesome best race in the universe responsible for all good and cool things.
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@MordenReiter @CactusFuturist @Griff403 For Halo 3's terminals specifically, he probably was easily convinced to change things based on this post from Jaime Griesemer
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@MordenReiter @CactusFuturist @Griff403 "Convinced" is a bit too strong of a word to use for Gheritt White's inclusion considering it wasn't a level Jones made in a game where he gave narrative power to Kirkpatrick (this is from the creator notes of M1, Marathon scrapbook, and emails with Kirkpatrick on the story page)
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@UlkasTheGreat @bumbadum14 are u hating on my favorite character The Goop?
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In an attempt to get around all of this story development and building 343 wrote the following:
4runners were an alien species competing with ancient humans over a UFC belt called the "mantle of responsibility" which would ordain them as the rulers of the galaxy.
The UFC belt would only be awarded by all powerful space Gods. When the space Gods chose humanity, the 4runners somehow genocided them all and the space Gods remade themselves into the Flood.
Then the 4runners made the rings because the Flood was wiping everything out. When they reseeded the galaxy, 1 specific 4runner encoded in all of humanity's DNA, the creation of Master Chief who would be part 4runner and the salvation of humanity.
They did ALL OF THIS AND MORE, just to get around the "4runners are obviously Human" setup of the first games.
Ante D. Luvian@uncle_deluge
The original big reveal of Halo 2 (which was meant to be long enough that it also contained all of Halo 3) was the Arbiter opening up an ancient Forerunner sarcophagus and seeing a human skeleton inside
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@Myst_____ @bumbadum14 Nope. Humans and Forerunners share the same evolutionary ancestry but evolved on different paths. Same as humans with apes
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@Denit41 @CactusFuturist Not how it works in Marathon btw, I think you're getting it confused with how a rampant AI produces too much data and accidentally fries most hardware because of it.
Rampancy in Marathon happens over time on the scale of centuries, but is accelerated by abusing the AI.
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@CactusFuturist No, they aren’t. That’s the point. AI in marathon go rampant with too much information the AI in Halo short out after a certain amount of time. They are objectively different.
Do you wanna talk about nonsense? Let’s talk about halo 3 and Cortana/Gravemind rampancy/visions.
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Halo 4 is functionally a hard retcon of the entire franchise. It's not the same universe anymore. And no amount of forced sad scenes where a violin plays in the background while Cortana goes through AI-schizophrenia (never how rampany was meant to work) will help it in isolation.
Call of Duty Zombies Fan Omega Shenron@RealOmegaShenny
I think the reason that Halo fans hated on Halo 4's story is because they couldn't handle anything with more depth than a shallow pond. "WhAt aBouT HaLO Two!?" They hated that back then too lol (and that's why every character from Halo 2 lost 85% of their braincells in Halo 3)
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@Goosewasinuse CEA is great because there's a button to ignore the "remade" parts
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@CactusFuturist It's actually much worse if you played as much Reach as I did and recognize every reused animation (which is most of the player and enemy animations)
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Yeah you're a tourist and a grifter for not recognizing this one animation lifted from a game that came out 16 years ago, originally built for a completely different player biped, and then haphazardly stitched onto a 2026 game wearing an indian vibe coder's idea of a CE skinsuit
boinksi 🔜 Halo Fest@boinksi
Hmmmmmm it’s almost like this is the exact motion from Reach… LMAO I love exposing the grifters
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