๐จNEWS: Cursorโs $50B โin-house modelโ is literally Kimi K2.5 with RL on top. Got caught in 24 hours
>be Moonshot AI
>spend hundreds of millions training Kimi K2.5
>1 trillion parameters, 15 trillion tokens, agent swarm architecture
>beat GPT-5.2 and Opus 4.5 on real benchmarks
>open-source it because you believe in the ecosystem
>one condition: display โKimi K2.5โ if you make over $20M/month from it
>Cursor takes the model
>runs RL on coding tasks
>ships it March 19 as โComposer 2โ
>blog post: โcontinued pretraining + scaled reinforcement learningโ
>zero mention of Kimi K2.5
>โour in-house models generate more code than almost any other LLMs in the worldโ
>publishes benchmark chart
>Composer 2 against Opus 4.6 and GPT-5.4
>uses the chart to justify raising at $50 billion!
>less than 24 hours later
>kimi dev intercepts the API response
>model ID: kimi-k2p5-rl-0317-s515-fast
>they didnโt even rename it
>Moonshot head of pretraining runs tokenizer test
>confirms: identical to Kimiโs tokenizer
>publicly tags Cursorโs co-founder: โwhy arenโt you respecting our license?โ
>two more Moonshot employees post confirmations
>all three posts deleted within hours
>legal is now involved
>but it gets worse
>Cursor had Kimi K2.5 listed as a FREE model in their UI just weeks ago
>users were openly using it
>Feb 9: โK2.5 was in my model list. I updated and it vanishedโ
>it vanished because Cursor pulled it from the picker, and relaunched it as their own model
>Moonshot valuation: $4.3B
>Cursor valuation: $50B
Absolute state of Cursor.
My cousin Dietrich is one of the best paid engineers in Germany
He makes โฌ41,000 a year before tax
Last week he got an offer from a big tech company in the US that would net him $350,000
"Are you going to take it?" I asked him
"It's a good offer, but I would actually earn less than now"
He is right. In Europe, he makes โฌ41,000 and gets:
- Free healthcare
- Strong privacy protections
- Diversity
- Pension benefits
If you count this in, it's much more than $350,000
European salaries are the highest in the world if you adjust for quality of life
What Happens When AI Tokens Cost More Than Your Employees?
@Jason:
โWe, with our agents, hit $300/day per agent using the Claude API, like instantly. And that was doing, maybe, 10 or 20%. That's $100k/year per agent.โ
@chamath:
โWe're getting to a place where we have to basically now say, โWhat is the token budget that we're willing to give our best devs?โโ
โAnd then if you aggregate it across all people, you can clearly see a trend where you're like, โWell, hold on a second, now they need to be at least 2x as productive as another employee.โโ
โThat is actively happening inside my business, because otherwise I'll run out of money.โ
Jason:
โYeah. This is a very interesting trend that you're not going to hear anybody else talk about, but when do tokens outpace the salary of the employee?โ
โBecause you're about to hit it. I'm about to hit it.โ
Kevin: "I just raced Claude and Kimi K2.5 against that bug that Ryan was talking about. K2.5 fixed it in 21s. Claude took just over a minute to make the plan, then about 2 minutes to execute on it. Both had the same fix, though."
(K2.5 is now my main driver. Opus just backup.)
In der USA sind die meisten Menschen enthusiastisch.
In Europa werde ich beschimpft, Leute schreien REGULIERUNG und VERANTWORTUNG.
Und wenn ich wirklich hier eine Firma baue dann kann ich mich mit Themen wie Investitionsschutzgesetz, Mitarbeiterbeteiligung und lรคhmenden Arbeitsregulierungen abkรคmpfen. Bei OAI arbeiten die meisten Leute 6-7 Tage die Woche und werden depentsprechend bezahlt. Be uns ist das illegal.
Google Cloud must have a business prevention department. No other platform requires as many clicks and you don't actually know how to add money. It's the new Windows NT (tm)!
the problem with crypto is that it's straight up retarded... there isn't even a good copy paste mechanism (or at least it's not part of any of the major platforms such as polymarket, metamask, phantom...) that captures both coin and protocal and that it's so easy to send your $$ into the ether. Seems like nobody who knows anything about UX is on this. Also you end up paying more to move money than you'd pay with paypal. it's fringe and likely will stay fringe.