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Prediction market without insider trading - Founder

NYC 가입일 Kasım 2023
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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@patkkim @0xperp Hear me out insiderless predictions market, so it's actually possible to profit from it
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Pat Kim
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@0xperp now we just need something more interesting than the 10th terminal for prediction markets 🙂
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lucas@0xperp·
> the more interesting opportunity is packaging prediction markets into entirely new products
Jonah Burian@jonah_b

A lot of the founders in my DMs pitched me a on prediction markets. I think most of them are chasing the wrong opportunity… Prediction markets are now among the most competitive categories on earth. @Polymarket and @Kalshi are raising mind-boggling numbers, and traditional players like @RobinhoodApp are building their own products. The category has incumbents with massive liquidity, strong brands, and aggressive product roadmaps. For the startups building net new prediction markets, it’s worth asking: what is the unique edge? Some pitch adding new market formats as their wedge. I don’t know if this is defensible. Every incumbent is actively expanding into new formats. Look at what @Polymarket offered just a year ago compared to today. They ship new products by the week. If the incumbents can add your market type faster than you can build distribution, the advantage evaporates. Others argue that better tech is the wedge. Tech doesn’t appear to be a limiter on @Polymarket or @Kalshi. The platforms work. Users aren’t leaving because of a tech problem. In my opinion, the more interesting opportunity is packaging prediction markets into entirely new products for underserved customers. People who would never open a @Polymarket account but have a real need to express a view on some future outcome. An outdoor concert venue might want to go long on rain for Sunday night to hedge cancellation risk. A logistics company might want to take a position on port delays. These are prediction market use cases dressed up as risk management tools, sold through channels the incumbents might not touch. And you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. You don’t need to build the market, source the liquidity, or design the matching engine. You can plug into existing prediction market APIs and focus entirely on distribution and product. There’s a fair pushback about platform risk here. But @Polymarket is onchain and open, which makes this meaningfully less risky than building on a closed platform. I’m not saying a new prediction market will never break through. In many mature categories someone always finds a way. @HyperliquidX broke into perps, one of the most competitive verticals in crypto with many well-capitalized competitors. AI gave @CoreWeave an opening in cloud. But in each case there was a specific structural reason the new entrant won. Disclosure: We are @Polymarket investors. Take the above with a grain of salt

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Max Otc@max_otc·
@cronkite2000 @APompliano 0.04% of traders win 70% of profits, users will just churn out, not sustainable America built itself on anti-insiders infrastructure, not for the fun of the game
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Anthony Pompliano 🌪
Anthony Pompliano 🌪@APompliano·
Prediction markets are going to become the venue of choice for many of the largest capital allocators in the world. There is no other way to isolate individual data points and make binary bets. Don’t underestimate the gambling obsession of Wall Street.
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Crypto1775@1775Crypto·
@APompliano Prediction markets are rampant with corruption, fraud, and manipulation due to misappropriation of confidential information. Only financial insiders, like yourself, who sell their souls, and bow down and worship the Epstein Class, think that prediction markets are a good thing.
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The Bottom Line
The Bottom Line@cronkite2000·
@APompliano Older post of mine, but the facts about manipulation hold true. Check it out 👇
The Bottom Line@cronkite2000

How Prediction Markets Like Kalshi and Polymarket Can Be Manipulated by Insiders — Without Breaking Laws 🧵1/5 This morning @SquawkCNBC had @GovChristie on the program to discuss federally regulating prediction markets. Prediction markets like Kalshi and Polymarket are touted as wisdom of crowds — accurate, efficient, and hard to manipulate. But insiders can legally sway outcomes and odds in subtle ways. No fraud needed. Let's break it down. #PredictionMarkets #Kalshi #Polymarket @mansourtarek_ @shayne_coplan

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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@jonah_b @Polymarket @Kalshi Thinking outloud Nothing new to invent in insiders markets, but still 0.04% of insiders earn 70% It's a huge user churn, there is room for healthy insiderless prediction markets And Billions of markets cannot be listed because of insiders, so makes niches you quotes possible
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Jonah Burian
Jonah Burian@jonah_b·
A lot of the founders in my DMs pitched me a on prediction markets. I think most of them are chasing the wrong opportunity… Prediction markets are now among the most competitive categories on earth. @Polymarket and @Kalshi are raising mind-boggling numbers, and traditional players like @RobinhoodApp are building their own products. The category has incumbents with massive liquidity, strong brands, and aggressive product roadmaps. For the startups building net new prediction markets, it’s worth asking: what is the unique edge? Some pitch adding new market formats as their wedge. I don’t know if this is defensible. Every incumbent is actively expanding into new formats. Look at what @Polymarket offered just a year ago compared to today. They ship new products by the week. If the incumbents can add your market type faster than you can build distribution, the advantage evaporates. Others argue that better tech is the wedge. Tech doesn’t appear to be a limiter on @Polymarket or @Kalshi. The platforms work. Users aren’t leaving because of a tech problem. In my opinion, the more interesting opportunity is packaging prediction markets into entirely new products for underserved customers. People who would never open a @Polymarket account but have a real need to express a view on some future outcome. An outdoor concert venue might want to go long on rain for Sunday night to hedge cancellation risk. A logistics company might want to take a position on port delays. These are prediction market use cases dressed up as risk management tools, sold through channels the incumbents might not touch. And you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. You don’t need to build the market, source the liquidity, or design the matching engine. You can plug into existing prediction market APIs and focus entirely on distribution and product. There’s a fair pushback about platform risk here. But @Polymarket is onchain and open, which makes this meaningfully less risky than building on a closed platform. I’m not saying a new prediction market will never break through. In many mature categories someone always finds a way. @HyperliquidX broke into perps, one of the most competitive verticals in crypto with many well-capitalized competitors. AI gave @CoreWeave an opening in cloud. But in each case there was a specific structural reason the new entrant won. Disclosure: We are @Polymarket investors. Take the above with a grain of salt
Jonah Burian@jonah_b

we have 20+ meetings set up with founders who cold dmed it has been awesome to see so many folks actively building cool things it's not too late to dm

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Max Otc@max_otc·
@CryptoYOLO2 hahaha, building in live, explainers video coming
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Max Otc@max_otc·
At this stage it's gaslighting, they says "yes 0.04% of insiders get nearly all profits, but it's your fault". Genuily concern about this, that's why building an alternative to prediction markets where insiders don't win more than "non-informed" traders. More soon
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Verrissimus@verrissimus

Warning: Long post ahead Prediction markets are one of the most genuinely innovative financial tools of the last decade and the regulatory panic surrounding them reveals a fundamental confusion about responsibility. Nobody is demanding that knife manufacturers be held accountable every time someone gets stabbed. We don't sue Victorinox because a person made a bad decision. We don't regulate kitchen knives out of existence because a small minority misuses them. We hold the *individual* responsible for their actions as we should. So why do prediction markets get treated differently? When someone loses money on a prediction market, that is a decision *they made*. They assessed the odds, weighed the risk, and placed a position. That is called personal responsibility. Holding the platform accountable for every negative outcome is the same logical absurdity as holding a knife manufacturer liable for every stabbing. The tool is not the problem. The absence of individual accountability is. Now about the age argument. I'll grant this one freely: an 18+ minimum on prediction markets makes complete sense. But here's where it gets interesting. In virtually every democracy, 18 is also the age at which you are trusted to choose your country's government. You can vote on trillion-dollar fiscal policy. You can vote on war and peace. You can vote on the laws that govern every citizen. If society trusts you at 18 to make those decisions, decisions that affect *everyone* then why on earth would it not trust you to make a financial decision that affects only *yourself*? Every person who is eligible to vote should be eligible to use prediction markets, full stop. No additional restrictions. No paternalistic gatekeeping. If you're old enough to pull a lever that shapes national policy, you're old enough to take a position on an outcome with your own money. Prediction markets aggregate information, improve forecasting, and create price discovery in areas where traditional markets fall short. They are a genuine financial innovation, not a vice to be stamped out. Regulate fraud. Prosecute manipulation. Then get out of the way and let adults be adults.

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Max Otc@max_otc·
@fintechfrank Easy to explain by insiders getting bigger, removing all the alphas Even the pros can't win anymore Building a playground without the insiders, to come back to 2021, if they like it
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Frank Chaparro
Frank Chaparro@fintechfrank·
Crypto hedge fund performance over the last 5 years
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Max Otc@max_otc·
@0xForecaster Prediction markets Removing those insiders, and make winning possible
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Forecaster
Forecaster@0xForecaster·
99% of new projects i see fall into: 1. memecoins 2. AI agents 3. RWAs if you remove the narrative most of them look the same what are you actually betting on?
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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@DustinGouker Batching removes the insider trader's power, they are the main reason why everyone is losing. Reminding here that 0.04% of insiders collect 70% of all profits
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Dustin Gouker
Dustin Gouker@DustinGouker·
Fanatics Markets has combos now
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Max Otc@max_otc·
@0xkekov That's why crypto is dying, insider market Trying to revive crypto with insiderless markets
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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@ProofofIntern Somehow, few figured out that insider trading leads to everyone losing, crypto is 90% vapowares for insiders to farm You won't get back smart peoples until fixing the insider problem
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The C̶r̶y̶p̶t̶o̶ Intern
the longer i work in crypto, the more i realise no one has a clue what they're talking about.
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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@rb_tweets Normalizing insiders leads to churning all you users Things need to change
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0xviet
0xviet@0xvietnguyen·
Do not touch these narratives: - L1s - L2s - RWA - NFTs - Defi - DeSci - DePIN - Metaverse - Privacy - SocialFi - GameFi - TapTap - Testnet - Airdrop - PerpDex - Memecoins - Tokenization - Data Availability - Prediction Markets Let's go back to Web2
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Max Otc@max_otc·
@Param_eth True, when outreaching for GM, it seems everyone is scared of crashing on insiders that are churning all users out of crypto somehow. 2021 was the good time we loved because there were no insiders. Like a Stockholm effect where you defend peoples that are farming you.
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Param
Param@Param_eth·
Most Web3 video creators are cringe they don’t share their real opinions they only show up when there’s a paid promo or bounty that’s why I don’t see them as real creators they might have numbers but they don’t have credibility
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@kober1337 For posts like that, I'm building something to fix this Insiders make money because they can select market they are insiders, but if you batch markets together, you can remove insiders and bring back the good old days.
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kober
kober@kober1337·
The Microstructure of Wealth Transfer in Prediction Markets Market makers don't predict the future. They just stand on the other side of your optimism and collect. I found the data to prove it: > YES contracts underperform NO contracts by up to 64 percentage points at the same price. > People love buying cheap YES contracts. Makers just take the other side and profit. > Makers earn +1.12% per trade. Takers lose -1.12%. > Finance markets are almost fair. Sports and Entertainment? Takers get destroyed. > Before 2024 regular users were actually winning. Then professionals arrived and flipped everything.
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Who Wins and Who Loses In Prediction Markets? I read a research article about who actually makes money on Polymarket. Dataset: 1.4M users, 70M trades, $20B volume. Here are the main points: > Top 1% of users capture 84% of all gains > 70.8% of users lose money > Market makers beat takers at 80 out of 99 price levels > Buying contracts below 10¢ is the #1 way to lose money (they are systematically overpriced) > Overtrading makes losses even worse

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Max Otc@max_otc·
@AgustinLebron3 @Cboe Yeah, the biggest issue in that is 0DTE are basically farmed by insiders, the whole business model of Robinhood is to sell dataflow. If the market you are trading in has insiders, you will always fail. Building something to fix that through market batching.
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Agustin Lebron
Agustin Lebron@AgustinLebron3·
Some day @Cboe and all of us will look back on this everything-is-a-casino era with embarrassment and disgust. How institutions squandered decades of trust and probity by chasing degenerate gamblers with self-serving lies. Just awful.
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Max Otc
Max Otc@max_otc·
@0xkekov Millions of impression on a guy showing 0.04% of traders gets 70% of profits. So much a hater but also loving predictions markets, then came building a solution to remove insiders structurally through batching
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kekov
kekov@0xkekov·
the one and only crypto project with 0 haters you can't prove me I'm wrong
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