optimusMat

@AllRoadsDigital I'm catholic, but I have been studying mormonism during years. I enjoy learning about them. It would be great if you have more articles to read!

@optimusMat Haha no but I'm making more Follow? 😁 What did you like about the article? Are you LDS or something else?

📰ARTICLE: Does the LDS Church Teach the "Real Presence"? open.substack.com/pub/allroadsdi…

@AllRoadsDigital A very clear, complete and thorough article!! I agree with you about how you portray the lds doctrine of the Sacrament. Do you have more articles?

I have never made a substack before so I was expecting an image to appear... here it is?

@jacksonfrandsen It's true about God (second person), but not about the Divine nature. If you say God has a body, that's true only if you say that because God assumed a human nature. It's not true because the Divine nature consists of having a body. I have already said that so many times.

I understand what you’re saying about divine nature vs human nature. Let me ask it this way; when we say: “Jesus has a body” “Jesus suffered” those are statements about the person, right? And that person is God. So how do you think about those being true of the person, but not true of God? I’m not questioning the two natures, I’m asking how something fully true of the person who is God (like having a body) isn’t also true of God.

It's like the religious version of catfishing someone.

@jacksonfrandsen @AllRoadsDigital Trols

@optimusMat @AllRoadsDigital Trolls or curious?

I am genuinely looking for the best and strongest point Avery made in our debate on if the trinity is biblical. What was his strongest point that the 3 persons are actually the same being.

@AllRoadsDigital They are trols

It's the burden he is giving himself by being an LDS apologist and making the claims "this is the LDS position" without ever saying "this is just my view the LDS position is actually different" What do you think the average non Mormon will think the LDS position is when they watch his debates or videos? Why would he make videos at all if it's just his own personal theology?

@jacksonfrandsen By the way, I sense you are driving in circles... I think I have been pretty clear from the very beginning. Our believes are biblical, are consistent and have been believed during two thousand years, directly from the deposit of faith delivered from Jesus to the Apostles. 3/3

@jacksonfrandsen His two natures are united in His Person and they are inseparable, so He is God. When I said God doesn't have a body, I referred to the Divine Nature, as I have clarified from the start. 2/3

@jacksonfrandsen ... we say that Mary is the Mother of God, not because she generated the divine nature, but because she is the mother of the Person of Jesus, who is truly God and truly Human. 2/2

@jacksonfrandsen In a sense, we say those kinds of things about Jesus (or God, because He is God). For example, we say God died on the cross, meaning the soul and the body split, obviously happening in his human nature, not in his divine one, which didn't die nor can die. Or, for instance, 1/2

@jacksonfrandsen Yes, absolutely. Because Jesus is one Person with two distinct natures, there are things true of Him in His humanity (like being hurt when he was on earth, for example) that are not true of Him in His divinity.

@optimusMat I understand your distinction. You’re saying Christ has a body according to His human nature, not His divine nature. If Christ is one person who now has a body, but God cannot have a body, are there things that are true of Christ that aren’t true of God?

@jacksonfrandsen And I told you from the very beginning of our conversation. That Jesus does have a body since He became human. The other divine persons didn't and the Divine nature doesn't consist of having a physical body. There is no need to continue discussing. Have a nice day.

@jacksonfrandsen No. His body is according to his human nature, not his divine nature. Jesus doesn't have one nature, but two. That's the part you don't understand.

@jacksonfrandsen Jesús Christ has two natures: human and divine. I expect his human nature to be like ours, a soul and a body, and I expect his divine nature to be Spirit, the one who is by himself, without parts or bodies. The two natures are not confused or mixed in Jesus, but united in him.

@optimusMat So are you looking for Jesus Christ to be “without body, parts, or passions?”

@jacksonfrandsen That God doesn't have a body forms part of the Revelation, that is my understanding

Right, so to be precise and summarize what you’ve shown, an explicit statement like “God the Father has no body” is actually difficult to locate anywhere. What we do see is that this language becomes very clear and consistent in post-biblical theology, for example: “God… is not to be thought of as being either a body or as existing in a body” — Origen That kind of formulation is prolific later on after the Bible, but it’s not stated in those exact terms in the biblical text. As you pointed out, scripture does say: “God is Spirit” (John 4:24) But that affirms what God is, without explicitly adding the premise: If God is spirit, then God cannot also have a body That additional step seems to be inferred, not directly stated. Then, when we look at Christ, we also have: “Handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have” (Luke 24:39) Which shows a clear distinction; Christ is not merely spirit, but embodied. So the question I asked and I’m trying to understand is: Do you see the conclusion that God is without a body as revelation itself, or as a theological interpretation drawn from revelation?

@6qcara @JeremyTate41 @TerrerJosep Claro, pero te engañaron otros separatistas. La verdad es otra, no obstante. Me compadezco de ti, pero ya estás en el bando incorrecto y malo de la historia. Bye.

@optimusMat @JeremyTate41 @TerrerJosep Sóc separatista 😂😂😂😂

Spain, return to who made you great

@PJLM1899 @JeremyTate41 Y Cataluña es... España.

@JeremyTate41 This photo is in Barcelona, Catalunya, Catalonia. But yes, we need to be back to Christ.

@6qcara @JeremyTate41 @TerrerJosep Mentira, Cataluña sí es España. A ti te han engañado los separatistas.

@JeremyTate41 @TerrerJosep This is CATALONIA! Spain is an invader country! Fuck Spain always!

@Panto1123 @JeremyTate41 Mentira, Cataluña es España.

@JeremyTate41 You can put spain into your ass hole! Barcelona IS NOT spain NOR france Barcelona is the capital of a millennial nation: CATALONIA. Be aware that this is OFFENSIVE to the catalans, that have been invaded by spaniards and french by the WEAPONS.

@jacksonfrandsen "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." (Luke 24:39) "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent..." (Numbers 23:19)

@jacksonfrandsen There are many more... And I have had to shorten the quotes due to this social network, which limits the amount of characters. The Scriptures agree with them: "God is Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." (John 4:24)