Tyler Gorton

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Tyler Gorton

Tyler Gorton

@tgor23

가입일 Nisan 2023
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulNedelisky holy shit you’re dense. Your rejection of LLM consciousness was only attributed to the presence of the neural network! You don’t have to see the structure as proof of consciousness, but your argument used it as proof *against*, without differentiating from human brain structure
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Paul Nedelisky
Paul Nedelisky@PaulNedelisky·
@tgor23 Not at all. Our recognition of other peoples' consciousness isn't due to identifying the presence of an underlying neural network, but rather due to their display of the sensibilities of conscious experience.
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Paul Nedelisky
Paul Nedelisky@PaulNedelisky·
Why wouldn't a network made to probabilistically string words together have the rich inner experience of a conscious person? If this is your question, you'll never know.
ꜱᴘᴀᴄᴇ ᴘᴜɴᴋ@_space_punk_

I have yet to hear a single even remotely well thought out argument for why LLMs arent consciousness. It all inevitably breaks down to "well ive defined consciousness as definitionally something a machine can't have" without any real discussion about the nature of consciousness whatsoever

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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulNedelisky jfc. the point is that your reasoning against the possibility of LLM consciousness applies just the same to other human consciousnesses. If it was a coherent and valid argument (it’s not) you would have to reject the existence of other minds entirely
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Paul Nedelisky
Paul Nedelisky@PaulNedelisky·
@tgor23 Not sure what your point is, but I'm not interested in your invective. Just good sense to recognize that things having nothing to do with each other don't stand in explanatory relationships. Potato chips don't explain rainbows; Nic Cage movies don't explain the sea-level, etc.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulaSeeksTruth desperation suggests that your life is lacking (in spirit, fullness, etc.) so a relationship with you will be a drain. devotion shows that your life is full but you’re missing something particular about this person, so a relationship will be mutually uplifting
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Paula
Paula@PaulaSeeksTruth·
@tgor23 desperation or devotion? what is the difference?
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Paula
Paula@PaulaSeeksTruth·
Men tell me that "women don't like nice men". But I don't think this is true and I suspect there is a lot more to this. 1. "Nice men" are not nice, kind men. They are often men that lack desirable traits like confidence and assertiveness, so this is their problem, not niceness.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulaSeeksTruth i think showing too much interest (unskillfully) probably comes off as desperation. You need to show abundance too
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Paula@PaulaSeeksTruth·
I think nice, good men are often liked by many women. (I like them.) 2. They tell me that showing too much interest backfires. I think this may be true if you date someone who is immature, who only knows dysfunctional relationships, or who doesn't like you very much.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulNedelisky *I’m* intimately acquainted with consciousness, but there’s no conceivable way the activity of your brain could account for it, so I must be the only one 🤷‍♂️ Can’t you see how idiotic that is?
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Paul Nedelisky
Paul Nedelisky@PaulNedelisky·
@tgor23 I would also deride alleged explanations of consciousness in other similarly unintelligibly related terms. But we are intimately acquainted with consciousness, and there is no conceivable way the activity of neural networks could account for it.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@PaulNedelisky there’s no more intelligible relationship between consciousness and literally anything at all. You don’t have to be a functionalist or whatever but thinking you understand consciousness well enough be so dismissive is a mental disorder
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Paul Nedelisky
Paul Nedelisky@PaulNedelisky·
@tgor23 There's just no intelligible relationship between consciousness and such a network🤷‍♂️
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@tenobrus @tautologer @KleynMichael We can model atoms and molecules and predict the results of new combinations of them. We can’t do the same for brain states and their respective mental states. That’s the hard problem. It seems like ur just asserting physicalism which neither solves nor undermines the question
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@tenobrus @tautologer @KleynMichael in a similar sense to “water is H2O”, yes they are the same thing, but there are clearly two different aspects of presentation there. You used this analogy but it’s not refuting the question. We know *why* the structure of H2O causes the perceivable behavior of water
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Tenobrus
Tenobrus@tenobrus·
@tautologer @KleynMichael i do deny it, i think there is no question to be asked here! the pain *is* my (very complex) brain state due to touching a hot stove and being hit with nervous reactions to that. asserting that the experience of pain is somehow different or non physical... is an assertion!
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@robokoteg @the_octobro @HSVSphere ur workflows are probably too stuck in a git-based mental model. idk about 3-way merges or whatever but stuff like changes is so clearly valuable i don’t get how u couldn’t see it. Like even if u still prefer git they objectively make a lot of stuff simpler
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@iusevimBTWW @HSVSphere Okay you clearly don’t have a clue how either of these tools actually work, and you being too stupid to construct a decent mental model isn’t an argument
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Eugene Von Furstenberg
Eugene Von Furstenberg@iusevimBTWW·
@tgor23 @HSVSphere 4 commands that do the same thing? Just git add and git commit. Or use the editor features if you want to go hunk by hunk. Having a VCS that only does what you tell it to is objectively simpler than whatever splitting an ethereal commit fuckery JJ has.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@iusevimBTWW @HSVSphere i don’t care how some other moron on google feels about it ?? literally everything you do with the index you can just do with a commit in jj and then u don’t have like 4 commands that do the same thing bc they need to address this worthless distinction. It’s objectively simpler
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Eugene Von Furstenberg
Eugene Von Furstenberg@iusevimBTWW·
@tgor23 @HSVSphere Its literally so simple. Shove changes into the index, and whatever is in there is in the next commit. So simple. The first search result for JJ split for me is how the ux is terrible to use. How the fuck is this an improvement over git?
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Eugene Von Furstenberg
Eugene Von Furstenberg@iusevimBTWW·
@HSVSphere I never understood jj fans, y'all keep preaching it's better than git but `jj split` is a garbage replacement for the index, no thanks. Magit and clones like neogit/fugitive are so much better than jj.
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джинн-хтоник@robokoteg·
@the_octobro @HSVSphere pros: automatically adds new files to commits cons: everything else 3-way merges are weird, manually updating branches is awkward, change ids are an unnecessary distraction I went back to git, much easier
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David Adams@DavidAd13662163·
@ctxmissing @JShooke @ImmaGott He became addicted to feeling powerful, and then deluded himself into thinking his actions had some other purpose besides chasing that feeling. In the end he realizes he is an addict and attempts to make amends. Addiction is the main theme.
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Big Jay Shooke
Big Jay Shooke@JShooke·
Is everybody autistic? Skylar is deliberately portrayed as a condescending and emasculating presence in Walter's life, the pitiful handjob for his birthday as degrading as his student giving him shit at the car wash. They tried to course correct later but she was written as another devitalizing force for him to overcome on his will to power.
cowboy postbop@cowboy_postbop

“actually it’s understandable to hate Skylar White because she impedes the protagonist” has become this popular post-woke take lately but it makes no sense: 1) she’s actively working for him by like S3 and 2) nobody, as far as I can remember, was sending hate mail to Dean Norris

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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@CodingSwede @olson_dan this would make sense if all those options were effectively equivalent and there were no real unique features between them. Unfortunately for you that’s not how the world works, so you’re just being a dumbass
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CodingSwede
CodingSwede@CodingSwede·
@tgor23 @olson_dan Do you have any idea how many options I have to pick from? I can afford to make demands.
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Tyler Gorton
Tyler Gorton@tgor23·
@Plasma_Legion common dumbass move on the internet to take an opinion you have (subjective and can’t be strictly incorrect) and insist on turning it into an objectively false statement. The creators of BotW were unarguably thoughtful and intentional even if u disagree w them. That’s just a fact
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CodingSwede@CodingSwede·
@olson_dan I refuse to use any language where I have to use the let/var keyword and state the type after the name.
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