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@skidabaumvraum @RETSNOM_A_TON either that or the technique that literally comes from the soul
which do you think it's more plausible then
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Giorno is the guy that will randomly say the most insane incomprehensible thing ever and it would make sense
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@ventushin Caleb is a man. He canonically is. You can hc hes transfem/transwoman but hes canonically trans. Other viewers will see her as a him. That's like saying ur a pedophile but u hc ur victim as an adult.
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Why can't yall just say sapphic wlw it's always gotta be yuri when that's a specific type of sapphic genre. It's not a general term you can js use for any wlw couple/ship 😭
𓏵 . . Durin's lover◝@love4durin
@flowerykxsses @fioko0k No❤️ It's hetslop cause they changed yuri to het❤️ if u want het ships draw them with general/het templates❤ theres millions of arts u can redraw thats made for hets, SPECIFICALLY using a yuri art for it is just straight up homophobic and bigoted
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 it's like we're having two different conversations behehe what a heartwarming end to the other one and a sad one to this. have a nice day though bro
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I have given you pretty much all the proof I can and you still say "no proof" that's when a convo ends lmfao
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Ivan being only attracted to till is all the proof this fandom needs to know he's gay meanwhile mizi literally said she hates the idea of a man and a woman being together, and is so clearly in love with a woman but somehow she's a bisexual?
She's a canon lesbian and only that!!
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@mizisualovs here's my headcanon... plese don't kill me. I promise I'll kindly explain my reasonings
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 and it's a fair interpretation and personal opinion. i've already stated i respect it as is, and i enjoyed chatting with you.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I'm not going to repeat myself any more on this topic. I already gave you all my arguments about this part. Whether you take it or leave it is up to you. I'm just saying that I see it as detracting from her character because of how integral her relationship with Sua is.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 when i'm completely adhering to the canon and there is no sufficient proof to counter my arguments, i'm unfortunately put in the position of being a wall 😭
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I was hoping you'd at least not consider yourself a wall.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 that's your belief. i don't see how it would change the story when her precise sexuality is entirely fanon interpretation. my apologies, but if you want to keep throwing useless arguments at the wall, you're going to eventually have to repeat yourself.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 And I'm arguing that it does inherently change her story. This is literally the whole argument I've been making. I really don't want to repeat myself.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 i think you misunderstood what i mean. i'm saying taking mizi out of her relationship with sua will always change things, but her sexuality varying within the sapphic spectrum does not inherently change her or her story.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 -detract from this goal, in fact I'd argue it would solidify his need to belong because of how much he is outcast from everyone else around him.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 the issue is that someone's sexuality can vary outside of their realm of possibilities. you can be bisexual (again not saying that's what she def is) and only be with one woman you love your whole life. we just dont know the fine details of her orientation outside of sua.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 Idk why you keep saying it as if she might be with someone else in the future of the story when literally in the canon she isn't ever??? And anything that isn't explicitly stated about the future is fanon. So I'm still talking just about the canon. I'm not saying anything-
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Threw a 8 pack of Busch’s Light on my seizuring grandpa like a chug splash.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 putting a character who is (was) in a canon relationship with another character... will always detract from canon, even to a tiny degree—just because it isn't canon. this still isn't indicative of her sexuality as we just don't know the label for certain.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I said like two main things:
1) I am fine with headcanons of sexualities if they don't detract from canon
2) imagining Mizi with a boy detracts from canon.
That's it. Whether putting her with any other girl would detract from canon is another argument I'm not gonna start.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 LOL ok hypotheticals probs wasn't the BEST word for me to be using, though i'd still say it can fit. you brought up that she wouldn't get with anyone else, so i brought up we don't know for certain. that's what i mean in the exchange of hypothetical situations.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 Where is my hypothetical? I feel like I've been just taking information from the canon at face-value. I don't see why you're making "hypotheticals to argue against [my] hypothetical".
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 i feel like you're getting a bit stuck on the hypotheticals part. it's not crucial to my argument, only said one to counter your hypothetical. it's fair for you to interpret her as lesbian, but it just isn't canon fact. all we know is that she's sapphic due to her love for sua.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 -notes have shown insights on how Till feels about Ivan and shows that he has more feelings about Ivan than hate or frustration, and towards a more complex feeling that could potentially be love which is why I would say Till is potentially bi but would never confirm.)
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 yup and that's again why i'm saying neither of our interpretations of what "might happen" are canon. neither her explicit sexuality or what "might happen" in this fanfiction scenario (no sua... would she be single forever? only want women? consider both?) have any canon backing
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 That's called ✨️fanfiction✨️
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 the issue is that we just don't know it for sure. it's a really fair argument, i respect you heavy for it, however my only point i even came into the reply section with is that it isn't 100% canon confirmed. we just really don't know the intricacies of her sexuality.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 -is still sexually attracted to Sua so she clearly didn't find "mating" between herself and Sua gross, and never fell in love with anyone else, especially not any other boy.
So I'd strongly argue that canon Mizi is not attracted to boys at all.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 i mean, yeah, if we change the story to take sua out of it, mizi wouldn't be the same exact character since her strongest relationship, her security, it's all based around sua. either way, things would change and we don't know what might happen.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I get that, but again, this is the reality of the world Mizi is in. This hypothetical doesn't stand, because if you created a story where Mizi finds some guy and never met Sua, this would no longer be Mizi. It'd be a whole other character. But that's an argument for philosophers.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 sure, it's fair to narrow it down. just saying i was never leaving it out of the equation dhdjdbd
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 The ace spectrum is *too* broad which is why I narrowed it down to the demi spectrum. Which is people who do not feel sexual attraction to others without some other attachment forming first, or may have very limited people they are sexually attracted to iirc.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 i think that's a fair interpretation, but for me personally, i don't usually see relationships as transcendental. if she didn't meet sua, who's to say her attention COULDN'T have gone elsewhere? it's just as fair a probability as your idea, since we both didn't write the story.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 I genuinely don't think Mizi would've fallen for anyone else besides Sua. She was bombarded with love and potential suitors way before ever meeting Sua. *This is the reality of Mizi's world.* It would detract from her character to imagine a world where Sua does not exist. Which-
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 being solely attracted to your lover isn't exactly a clear indication of one's sexuality label. there was a point in time before them, the chance you never met them, and there's the future wherein sua has passed on.
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 If we're gonna argue about whether she is attracted to women other than Sua in that case, then that would be a harder debate. But I feel like I can confidently say she isn't attracted to men because of how she is solely attracted to Sua.
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@Vanguard161 @kaoru_san22 i mean, that's one interpretation. my point is that there's no canonical fact that she is strictly labelled as lesbian. the comic that is often used as "proof" is open-ended enough to be registered in different ways, making no one more objectively correct in their label headcanon
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@valsrice @kaoru_san22 Honestly main thing I think about when she's being disgusted by the idea of "mating" is that she's demi and solely attracted to Sua. But that does also mean she's sex-negative towards even other girls in that case. Which just further shows she really doesn't like boys imo.
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