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@AZoomerrr

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🇵🇪 Katılım Eylül 2021
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
thats 1/3 of the time it took me to finish that sylv since i was so scared of touching it and ruining something thats why i moved to cellshade for my main stuff og commisioner can back that. i beg for you and people to understand that i quite literally can't change the way i draw as in the timelapse i just posted , i just want my gallery back , i was already feeling insecure about the way i draw months before all this drama , i was slowing down massively my rate of posting precisely for that reason, im still secluding myself to study and practice
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr no im saying its not, the first is your real style and the second isnt. Its less about the skill jump and more so that there's nothing in your entire history that resembles that style, its completely different and i dont buy that you rewired your entire brain in 2 months.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
Ok , im writing a big long text this time , and im not going to delete it like last time. Im currently being hit with the AI Tracing accusations again , and for these i say. No , i do not use ai gen or assistance in any way shape or form for my artworks. Let me tell you a Story: I started drawing in 2019 , around 2022 and 2023 ai image generatos were becoming more widespread and notable a lot of artists feared being completely replaced by it including me of course , i quit university to go all in on art so of course if that were to happen it would mean that my entire life was ruined, so... i panicked , and that panic made me start learning about it and try to use it to not "stay behind" , with that i developed a method in which allowed me to make artworks faster! , but with ai assistance, with this said method (that im not going to share for fear of causing more harm to the artist community) i did 2 drawings , a delphox pic and a cinderace one , those 2 artworks i never shared anywhere except inside a group of discord of one of my Friends Now, being that i admitted that i use ai assistance for 2 artworks posted on a small server and nowhere else and that at that time i also had a "big jump in skill" (i didn't , i have older posts that are "kinda Good" , that were done EVEN BEFORE the reléase of stable difusión and other generators ) Naturally the next assumption was that ALL of the following artworks that i made were made not using assistance but straight up tracing them , thats not true at all and it makes no sense , i've shown enough capability of being able to draw stuff from way before just look at the first post i've ever done on this account. The reason why i deleted my first response and ALL the evidence i provided to debunk those claims was that i was hoping to just leave all of this drama behind. But apparently it can't , some people saved a compilation image and is still going around in group circles with people making their mind without me even being able to say anything about it , and in hindsight maybe it was a bad idea to delete those posts on the first place since people can't search for my comments either Welp that was my mistake there. What i can myself say that im Really good at! , is drawing from eye! , its a drawing excersice in which you use an image reference on the side of a blank canvas and draw the whole thing again , its really good for developing proper line control (thing that no ai tracer has) This being the second time im being hit with these acussations i figured a couple of things word will spread around no matter what i do and people will make their minds even before hearing anything from the other side. I should have not deleted my old posts discussing this drama because if it were to be brought up again i would have already talked about it publicly. TLDR: -2022 hits and chimi gets hit with total panic because of ai development threatening to destroy artists -decide to learn how to use ai image generators just in case to not "stay behind" -Develop a method to with ai assist to make artworks faster -Do 2 artworks with it and only post it in a small server -Dont touch ai image gen after that -2024 -People find out about those artworks and messages send in the discord -Grab those messages and images out of context and claim ALL artworks are done tracing ai -wtf -livestream myself drawing showing my entire process -Convince everyone that i don't trace and stop the drama -Delete posts talking about the drama wanting to leave it behind -2026 -E6 mods deletes my entire gallery claiming ai gen -I already deleted my old twitter posts talking about it -The livestream didn't save -Asks for proof of work -Aw_shit_here_we_go_again.mp3 Im willing to reply to questions you all have in case you have it , not for long tho since im extremely exhausted right now
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Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
i want no enemies
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Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap i hope you are not saying that that sylv is ai stuff, i do know how to render too , i just prefer doing cellshade My main points are that 1.-The "skill jump" is not even that big 2.-I was grinding at the time as well I really really don't know what else to say, im tired
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr I beg you to treat me seriously as a more experienced artist instead of thinking i don't have eyes. Jan 9th and March 24th dont look even remotely close. Your style wasnt even bad, I like that lineless lucario from 22, just go back to that man, its better than your current stuff
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap look at the first post i ever made on this account and compare it to the delphox and braix i did in 2023 , theres not a huge difference, that , and that is not counting that i was grinding hard at those times too
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr none of this art is remotely close to the stuff you started outputting on mass in 2023. The path of your style literally just breaks as soon as that mark is hit, just around the same time a million and one LORAs with a near identical "style" to yours show up.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap what do you mean , i've been drawing since 2019 drive.google.com/drive/folders/… since before the release of any public ai, and i had many drawings even before i made those posts on 2022, again , look at my first post ever on this account, i have no need to do that
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr so according to your own words you invented an entire method to fake drawings with no prior online presence to back up your skills but you pinky promise that you totally 100% never used it ever again?
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
i really can't do anything about the timelapses thats literally the way i draw , convince yourself for a second that what im saying its true and put yourself in my shoes , there is nothing i can do to change that or "prove" otherwise even if i were to record all my drawings from now on irl with a camera aiming at my hands and screen it would still not be enough "somehow"
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr every artist I talk to sees right through your "timelapses" and its frankly upsetting that you think youre convincing anyone who's experienced in art. You want your gallery back? Build it, the same as each one of us did. And apologize to your peers for what you've done
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
e621 just nuked almost my entire gallery off the site 😢 Do i have to show every single timelapse if i ever want to upload on the site or what? they even deleted a video i showed the entire process before, i had uploaded this for patreons just a few days ago. As if i wasnt feeling insecure already, one of the reasons i haven't been posting that much as of recently
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap i apologize to schmutzo and hatsumiilkshake for making a study of their artwork and claiming it as an original. That i can admit fault on
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr also apologize to the ppl you traced or "referenced" or whatever you wanna call it. Own up to your mistakes, and maybe, just maybe, your peers will forgive you in due time when you start being genuine.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
im asked to show a video but recording my entire screen from the e6 mods from start to finish ,sketch to full pic to get my gallery back. I assume ill have to show my task manager to show i don't have anything funny behind the scenes, again, i already done that before on a livestream but that livestream didn't save because i don't have premiun picarto :c
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Isan@isuckatnames60·
@AZoomerrr @EngineTrap Oh, is it gonna be an external cam timelapse so we can see it's on the side :3? I don't know what you use but I'm asking because many art programs let you hide layers from timelapses
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@isuckatnames60 @EngineTrap oh i shown multiple times that i can draw very accurately with just a simple reference on the side (copying the image but not tracing it) , ill do it again tomorrow, im kinda exhausted rn
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Isan@isuckatnames60·
@AZoomerrr @EngineTrap Did you genuinely do this from eye, you never had the original art as a layer in the project file, didn't start with a trace or a 1:1 breakdown or anything of that sort?
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
you can be both!! i get your point, it can be seen in a contempt-y way but do enjoy the art of others too! otherwise i wouldn't retweet their stuff or even follow them on X! i love their art! i even enjoy your art too even if you probably don't like me. Otherwise i wouldn't have a channel on my discord server with 38 valuable tips on how to become a better artist and live off it! About the follower stuff, i stopped the pursue of those numbers since i don't post that much anymore, i secluded myself to grind and study some more first About the e6 thing i see it as a very long future goal and there is nothing wrong with that , its not about "beating" others but wanting to be good at what i do
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr it costs you nothing to credit and engage with your artist peers, but you only treat us with contempt, like goals to beat "I need more followers than them" "I wanna be the most liked in e6" How about you do art bc you're passionate about it and not like its a competition.
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Isan@isuckatnames60·
@AZoomerrr @EngineTrap Not a reference in any functional or sustainable way. It's a study at best and a self sabotaging cheat code at worst. The only reason one would choose to trace like this is if they just wanted to see progress faster instead of learning how to improve properly. I speak for myself.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap hmm i guess we can agree on the 2nd part, i can see why it can be wrong , i shouldn't have posted it without saying it was more of a study / practice , same with the other one
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr I'll stoop to your level and pretend this dumb excuse is true for a minute (its not), copying a pose 1-1 is STILL wrong and the original artist deserves credit any which way, you keep missing the point that you're just parasitizing your peers, AI or not.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap it means that i did this(visual recreation),youll be surprised how accurate one can be practicing drawing from eye for enough time , i did the same on the other pic you replied , i stand on my position , i've done that live b4 and i can do it again , i just want my gallery back
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr flipping an image does not make it not traced, what. also if you drew it from eye none of the lines would line up, literally just swallow your pride and admit what youve done and move on instead of acting like we're gullible idiots.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
although thanks for sayings its 1-1 tho, do you know the excersise of drawing from eye? if where you put an image on the side and try to draw it again as closely as possible , i did that with those 2 images, i just didn't wanted to "waste" the time i used for making those 2 , also i drew them flipped . nothing wrong with that
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EngineTrap
EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr tracing a random non memetic piece nearly 1-1 is a "reference"? and without crediting? if you cant see what's wrong with doing this then I genuinely dont know what to tell you.
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EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr Crazy suggestion, might be a far shot but, Have you tried not AI tracing?
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
@EngineTrap there isn't even anything wrong with that lol , it was a reference
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EngineTrap@EngineTrap·
@AZoomerrr you had every opportunity in the planet to grow as a person and artist and yet you dug yourself deeper and deeper into a trench of lies bc you craved followers more than respect from your peers. Dont even get me started on the real art that you've also traced.
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Azoomer
Azoomer@AZoomerrr·
this was one year before that luc , there isn't much of a jump
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