QardaghOfArbela

@shoresh03 @war4k2 Iron age assyrians can be modeled as a mixture of Hurrians and the samples from EBA sirnak.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 You missing the point completely which is expected, again Semitic bronze heritage with nada Hurrian detectable and can use Eblaite (Semitic) Sirnak (Semitic) or Iraq_Lba (also Semitic)

The problem is that the Assyrians don't even have Neolithic Zagroisin yet they are attacking the Kurds who possess %40 Zagroisin This is like an Arab with 80% Natufian heritage saying that the Zagros Mountains are Arab.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 what?

@shoresh03 @war4k2 sirnk is from the early bronze age, why would it have mittani ancestry if the mitanni hurrians assimilated during the late bronze and early iron age? 😭 are you slow.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Sirnak / Nemrik are highly alike and Sirnak is a damningly early Semitic bronze sample group

@shoresh03 @war4k2 why would you need examples of the garbled names??? the whole point is that were very little of them.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Examples of those garbled names would be wonderful otherwise it’s not demonstrated

@shoresh03 @war4k2 During the late bronze age and the dark age following the collapse, the assyrians would've probably been heterogeneous genetically, with their population becoming homogeneous by the iron age.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 It's one sample, and like I said it began in the late bronze age, it would've taken time for them to fully assimilate and for them to mix with the og assyrians.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 what? the garbled names show that no hurrian culture persisted in the assyrian heartland, showing that the deported hurrians must've assimilated.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Examples of those garbled names being supposedly Hurrian or that it even demonstrated Hurrian ancestry?

@shoresh03 @war4k2 yeah bronze age semites don't bear hurrian characteristics because the assimilation of mesopotamian hurrians began in the late bronze age and would've been complete by the iron age.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 And can you actually demonstrate that you continue from Hurrians or is it just speculative, Bronze Age Mesopotamian Semites do not bear Hurrian characteristics, show a much clearer relation to Levantine Semites and the only detectable admixture realy seen is proto Armenian

@shoresh03 @war4k2 In terms of archeological or genetic proof, I have read some, I'd have to go look for them again, but I'm employed and I don't actually have the time rn sorry.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 You have documents for Hurrians being assimilated to assyrians? Any actual genetic proof of it? Or actual good proof instead of vague "gargled names" and "probably" "perhaps" "possibly" "mayhaps"

@shoresh03 @war4k2 Are you slow? re read the source, there's no speculative language, and idk why you find the mention of some "garbled names" so significant in disproving this source.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 the "garbled names" isn't evidence of assyrians being hurrians, its evidence that the deported hurrians assimilated as there are no remnants of their culture apart from a few garbled names.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 And "garbled names", documents which I would like to see of which group they are talking of and their linguistic character not more speculative guesses would be wonderful

@shoresh03 @war4k2 The number of settlements in the khabur valley and mittani north mesopotamia didn't decrease after the assyrian conquest rather it stayed continuant throughout the middle assyrian period showing continuity of population.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 Wdym no evidence for said hurrians being assimilated? so when the assyrians deported thousands of hurrians to assyria what happened to them? or when Hurrian cultural material disappeared from northen mesopotamia and was replaced with Assyrian cultural materials.

@shoresh03 @war4k2 That hurrians assimilated into mesopotamian groups, also why do you only choose to engage with this one source, I sent 2 others.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 How is this good evidence for anything

@shoresh03 @war4k2 what are you attempting to prove? even if kassites were hurrians (which they weren't) how does that make kurds hurrian???

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Kassite names in late records as well continuing to show Hurrian relation with Ianzi-Buriash Buri / Ubri Kassite Lord Ewri / Ebri Hurrian Lord Euri Urartian Lord Buri-ash Kassite Lord of the Lands referring to the Kassite storm god

@shoresh03 @war4k2 Bro critisised me for using wikapedia only for all your to be from wikapedia except one, and the one that wasn't from wikapedia doesn't come from an overtly credible scholar.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Names themselves especially since you want to use those "gargled" show clear Hurrian character of the Lullubi

@shoresh03 @war4k2 I just posted the first 4 sources I had saved, I need to go look for some other ones, it doesn't help that a lot of the sources cover multiple pages which makes posting their conclusions as images difficult.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Questionable

@shoresh03 @war4k2 "Damingly clear" give me one credible modern scholar that believes kassites and lullubi were hurrians, and it can't be speculative because that isn't good proof according to you.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Meanwhile the linguistic character of Lullubi and Kassites being Hurrian is damningly clear in comparison the speculative sandbox Narnia theory

@shoresh03 @war4k2 ignored the other source, written by simo parpola an assyriologist.

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Too speculative with no good proof, rip

@shoresh03 @war4k2 I have sources if you want 🤣

@Arbelite1 @war4k2 Aram press have sources unlike you