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@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab The story of the crucifixion states that it is a proven historical fact due to ancient documents. However these same ancient documents also indicate that there were groups who did not believe in the crucifixion of Christ but rather identified a different person as Simon of Cyrene

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab If this description is not accurate, then what is? - You look at the mountains and think they are stationary, but they move with the clouds. Indeed, it is an accurate description.

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@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab I saw the evidence and believed because the Quran mentioned that it was in Egypt, and the fossil record confirmed this, and it matches the Quran's description.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab This is the such flimsy evidence! Your Haman story is not accepted at all by mainstream scholars. We can chase it down further, but hardly anyone Christian or not buys your telling.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Yes, and he also mentioned that they believed they had killed Christ, but that the crucified one was merely someone who appeared to be him.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab The Quran specifically says Jesus didn’t die. Ancient historians directly and unambiguously say he did.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab No, unfortunately - and it wasn't because of Haman at all. I went to check, and the story was about Pharaoh drowning, not because of Haman's story. Sorry

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Do you have a link to what you are referring to?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Regarding the Pharaonic fossil that was found in Egypt

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab What are you talking about?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab I don't know, but I think you understood it, but you're trying to stall. However, I'll repeat it—so that Muslims don't think that multiple readings mean multiple Qurans. This in itself is proof that the Quran is one, revealed in seven modes of recitation.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab I don’t even understand what you’re trying to claim. What did Uthman burn?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab No, you're making that up in your imagination - it's not like that at all.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab It was preserved in their hearts? They were arguing about it so intensely that in order to preserve unity, they needed to burn manuscripts!

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Yes, because he provided proof that he was a prophet, and I mentioned it to you in the example of the mountains moving. And the accuracy of his account of Haman

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Oh right. Well the guy I mentioned born in 1992 also said that he received a revelation. Would you believe him?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab This is the text in hieroglyphics transcribed into English letters. "h-m-n wr khmw n imn"

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab For your information, I heard that a French researcher specializing in Egyptian antiquities converted to Islam after discovering Egyptian artifacts, but I'm not sure about this.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab No, it's not like that at all. You yourself believe that the crucifixion, resurrection, and redemption are the foundation of life and faith, while we simply see that his prophet was saved, and even if he were the one crucified, it doesn't change anything.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab It denies that Jesus was crucified. You’re trying to play games. The Quran says it. Don’t be ashamed. Own it. It contradicts all ancient historians.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab I asked this question before, and I answered it so that Muslims in the future do not think that the readings mean multiple Qur'ans—and it is mentioned in the same narration.

@Aref4rvl @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab Why the burnings then?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab That's what history says. You're right, you're not obligated, in my opinion, yet.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab The evidence is the best proof: there were thousands of companions, and the Quran was preserved in their hearts, not just in books. So how could there be a consensus among the companions in general, and those who objected changed their minds after a while?

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab The Quran does not say that the crucifixion did not happen; the Quran says that the one who was crucified was not Jesus, peace be upon him.

@Rmns58 @Acts17David @mohammed_hijab We did not say that the Prophet Muhammad, the Messenger of God, witnessed the incident, but rather that he received revelation from God and was informed of the incident.