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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@JegnaAnbessa He posts more about Ethiopia than Eritrea. I don’t understand why they have their noses up in a foreign country to this extent.
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abesinoi@abisinoi·
If souther ethiopic speakers were wise, they would pay much more attention to cultures like shay, tiya, harla,... instead of obsessing over larper solomonid fairtales and abrahamic nonsense.
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@JohnSmithkfd @MohanadElbalal My original claim “at least goes back to 1270.” Who predated the Solomonic dynasty? Where was it based? Was it within the subsequent domains of the Ethiopian empire? The land grant mentions Bahr Negash, not Medri Bahri.
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John Smith
John Smith@JohnSmithkfd·
@AskoChronicler @MohanadElbalal You failed to mention the land grant predates Zera Yacob by centuries and the Solomonic dynasty by over a century and a half.
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Mohanad
Mohanad@MohanadElbalal·
Before World War II virtually every single historical mention of Ethiopia (A name originating from Greek) referred to Nubia. The Abyssinian (Habesha) rulers of this expanded indigenous African Empire needed a name for their New State that extended beyond their Habesha heartlands; they settled on Ethiopia; to give historical roots to their Empire turned modern State and it was that name that it was inducted in to the UN as. Ethiopian nationalists of course deny this vigorously they claim that the Country was named after a little known Abyssinian king (that may or may have not existed in the 15th Century) named Ityyop. The problem with this argument is that there are dozens of historical figures from the country that would have been more deserving of having the country named after them, than an inconsequential king that may have no existed. secondly if the intention was to name the State after this historical figure why was the State not named Ityyopia but Ethiopia as is spelled in the Bible in reference to Nubia and its kings. Basically our neighbours did a Macedonia on us but we’ve lost contact with so much of our history in Sudan that barely anyone noticed.
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🔴How the Myth of Ethiopia as “Africa’s First Christian Nation” Erases the History of Christian Nubia in Sudan This Popular Mechanics article on Old Dongola matters because it forces Sudan’s buried Christian history back into view. Archaeologists uncovered a late 16th- or early 17th-century document tied to King Qashqash at Old Dongola, the former capital of Makuria, one of the major Christian Nubian kingdoms. That find matters not because it proves Sudan was simply “first,” but because it exposes how thoroughly Sudan’s Christian Nubian past has been minimized, sidelined, and often erased from the way African Christian history is publicly remembered. Christian Nubia was not a footnote. It was one of the major centers of African Christian civilization, with its own kingdoms, political institutions, religious life, and historical depth. Yet in popular memory, and even in many Black and African political spaces, that history is too often pushed into the background or ignored altogether. Ancient Aksum Empire (c. 1st century CE–8th century CE) ≠ Abyssinian Kingdom (c. 1270–19th century) Abyssinian Kingdom (c. 1270–19th century) ≠ Modern Ethiopia (late 19th century–present) That erasure is reinforced by the slogan that “Ethiopia is Africa’s first Christian country,” repeated across the Black diaspora and the continent as if the history were simple, settled, and politically innocent. The facts are more complicated. Aksum did adopt Christianity in the 4th century under Ezana, and that should not be denied. But Orthodox or Coptic Christianity in Africa should not be reduced to a triumphalist modern Ethiopian nationalist slogan. Orthodox Christianity in Africa is not reducible to Ethiopia, nor is it the exclusive property of any later Ethiopian nationalist narrative. It is part of a much wider African Christian history that includes indigenous African communities and long-standing Christian traditions spread across North Africa and the Nile Valley, including Christian Nubia in what is now Sudan. Aksum was an ancient empire centered in present-day Eritrea and Tigray, not a modern Ethiopian nation-state, while Christian Nubia was also a major, long-lasting, and historically consequential center of African Christian civilization. Once the entire story is filtered through the slogan of “first Christian country,” the wider regional record is distorted, Sudan’s place in that history is pushed aside, and indigenous African ties to Orthodox and eastern Christian traditions are erased in favor of a much narrower nationalist narrative. The deeper problem is that this timeline, terminology, and historical memory have been hijacked by pro-feudal Abyssinian propaganda and later nationalist storytelling. Aksum was not “Ethiopia” in the modern nation-state sense. Ancient “Aithiopia” was a shifting label, not the exclusive historical property of the modern Ethiopian state, and certainly not something that can be retroactively monopolized as a seamless inheritance. Later traditions turned that unstable and contested name into a much more exclusive continuity claim than the evidence can support. In the process, they swallowed up histories that were never theirs alone to monopolize, folded distinct political formations into one myth of uninterrupted continuity, and elevated one later narrative at the expense of others. That is how Sudan’s Christian Nubian past gets pushed into the background while a broader regional inheritance is recast as the sole legacy of one later political project. The serious historical point, then, is not to deny Aksum’s Christianity, but to reject the political use of that fact to obscure other African Christian histories. Aksum’s conversion is real, but so is the long Christian history of Nubia. Sudan’s Makuria and other Nubian Christian formations should be studied in their own right, on their own historical terms, not left permanently overshadowed by a modern slogan that compresses distinct histories into one nationalist myth. A more honest account of African Christian history would place Sudan’s Christian Nubian past back into the picture, not as an afterthought, but as one of its central chapters.

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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@JohnSmithkfd @MohanadElbalal I’m not even bothering to contend your claim on the continuity between Medri Bahri and Eritrea. But you’re still wrong on which predates which. First official use of Medri Bahri was first used during Zara Yacob’s period in mid 15th c. Bahr Negash was also a grant by Zagwe king.
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@JohnSmithkfd @MohanadElbalal I said "centuries," which is accurate. I'm not claiming Axum. That's a heritage Tigray and Eritrea are free to monopolize. The Ethiopian state (its name, imperial lineage, church, etc...), with it's core in Shewa, goes at least back to 1270.
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John Smith
John Smith@JohnSmithkfd·
@AskoChronicler @MohanadElbalal What do you mean centuries old origin? Of course not, it predates that by a long time, in fact most of the claimed history of your modern nation comes from one small northernmost region, and the other half from Eritrea that has the same ethnic groups as that region.
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Forever Arsenal@ArsenalN10·
7 matches to go! If you believe, REPOST !!!
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Senait Senay, PhD@SenaitSenay·
I am giving a response because you tagged me. Not sure about the authenticity of the snippet you posted as i dont know such media name. Regardless, this is what I genreally know: I have never seen Amhara advocates generalizing any people as a whole ... (cant say about anonymous ones...since we don't know what their motivation is, who they are and it is difficult to make fake ghost accounts accountable). And I myself and many in our movement never defend individuals that call for any targeting. The Amhara movement is known for this. You being annoyed because I said people who try and paint any defense against TPLF as if it is targeting the entire Tigrean people are TPLF supporters is simply reaching. Being a TPLF supporter is not "not agreeing with tplf". There are plenty of people who criticize TPLF on certain actions they dont agree with while giving it cover by labeling every speech and defense against TPLF as a target against Tigreans as a whole. We have plenty of evidence of vice versa when it comes to attack on Amharas but we focused on the current threat. Enji...you will never find me defending anyone (regardless of ethnic or religious idenity of that person or group) who attacks people as a whole. My entire beef with the group called "One Amhara" started because they were targeting other identities in the name of Amharas. That is why we all forced them to come forward with their real face ans name so that they can stop spewing their hate agenda. As we suspected...even if they dialed up their scheming against Amharas at least they stopped targeting people in the name of Amharas since they stopped being anonymous. I write and run a clean advocacy. I will never defend anything that blemishes my principle. But we will never allow isolated incidents, un investigated reports and counter campaigns to wrongly blame our struggle. To oppose thr disinformation that claimed this incident as an official designation is expected of any truthful person let alone a person who supports the movement. FYI1: I dont blanket defend anyone but Amharas have the right to defend themselves just as Tigreans. Amhara targeting started way way earlier than Tigray targeting its been 35 years for us. FYI2.... there were diasporas from all sides who participated in the Northern war, what will you post when people start to report those who joined TDF? Never forget that Fanos have no common vision with the regime in Ethiopia. Its just Abiy happened to become enemy wit TPLF while Amharas were trying to survive. Thr wolkait Raya Metekel shoa etc...cause didnt start when Abiy came. In fact Abiy and tpld were on the same side when Amharas were fighting with Agazi, Endf federal etc..for their rights. The temporary chigir b/n them doesnt make amharas automatic friends of Abiy...those 2 years were just coincidental. If individuals become PP supporters regardless of what they did in the past they will be dead to us. So our advocacy is for the struggle and against labeling of our collective names.
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Arsenal@Arsenal·
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@Aaldem1 @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE I’m citing official survey data. If you want to go down the rabbit hole of inquiring historical records, you’re going to have a hard time. Yes, that’s how you acquired the land in 1991: weapons. The Amhara Wolqait question began as a demand for a special zone. y’all FAFO’ed.
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Aaldem
Aaldem@Aaldem1·
@AskoChronicler @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE There are more evidence before Derg as well. But we living in a world where weapons speak, we will see how it be settled. Let’s see if you can do what you did a live in peace, we will also see when then people from the south and rest start taking back the land you stole too.
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General Gual Gere@DigitalwoyaneE·
በትግራይ ላይ ያለ ጥላቻ ግን … 😔 💔
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Aaldem@Aaldem1·
@AskoChronicler @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE you out number us on this app 1 to 10. You shameless fks even went to counter protest to our protesters, horrible of the horribles. Neither the oromos nor the tegaru have done that too your protests, but we are bad. Actual Satan’s spawn.
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@Aaldem1 @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE Never heard of a Tigre speaking against atrocities against an Amhara. I’m still angry at Amharas for joining your war against your Tigre cousins in 1998. Yes, both you and the Sudanese are aliens to us. Don’t allude to commonality. Many Tigres live in our region by the way.
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Aaldem@Aaldem1·
@AskoChronicler @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE And yes, the Sudanese are better neighbor for us. We don’t share religion or a single culture, but they took in almost 100,000 civilians, a Muslim country. I have seen more tegaru speak about Amhara massacre than a single Amharas on his app about Tigray, i got SC too even though
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Phil@bamwinejnr·
No Arsenal fan will skip this beauty 😭❤️
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@Aaldem1 @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE 1. Know how to spell. Daft. 2. You allied with the OLF, EPLF, perpetrated ethnic cleansing throughout the years. Don’t revert to religious commonality between us. There’s nothing Christian about your scheming, conniving nature. Scum.
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Aaldem@Aaldem1·
@AskoChronicler @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE ethnically cleansing millions not even even having a morel conscience to feel any remorse or, specially your only Christian neighbors for a thousand. If you truly had any grievance you would asked in legally way, you buddy Abiy was in power, but no you god fearing Christian -
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Asco@AskoChronicler·
@Aaldem1 @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE You’re a shithead who is speaking out of his ass. Your border has always been tekeze. Nobody will claim the ecologically deprived land you inherited from your ancestors. Go and fight with Eritrea for Tigrinya-speaking lands as well.
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Aaldem@Aaldem1·
@AskoChronicler @kyisfa @DigitalwoyaneE Oh the irony. Yeah straight up lied about actual documents facts. Where is the evidence for your claims? Like there isn’t a documented evidence of Derg survey showing it’s 94% percent Tigrinya speakers or many European map showing the original names and inhabiters. Imagine -
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