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@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Here I'll make it simple: the destruction of viltrum is not proof their planetary sue to obvious extenuating circumstances. And you have no other proof. The best you can say is "maybe they are" yet you talk so definitively.

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Well, you haven't been proving that you've read it since you have already known all this stuff that I've brought up already if you had lol What's even your freaking argument? It's pretty clear that none of them have ever tried it before. That doesn't mean they can't

This isn’t Space Racer. This is Space Rider from Nolan’s novel. Nolan changes details in these stories to obscure the truth. (For proof it’s not space racer: the beam is the wrong color).

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes It doesn't prove I haven't read it it proves I'm too lazy to find good images of it. You've read it 5 times and all you can do is say, "Well we don't know it required 3, We'll we don't know they needed the laser" that's not proof of anything at all. Just cope.

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Fact that you're giving me fuzzy ass pictures means you're just googling this rather than actually having access to the actual comic, unlike I do who's actually read this thing five times lol

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes There's clearly no history of viltrumites destroying planets, three and the laser are involved in the one instance we do see, and when Thragg threatens Earth he implies it would take multiple to make it happen. All of that implies to me that it's not something they can easily do

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Yeah and what he planned on doing was having all five of them fly into the planet including Alan and tech jacket but the two of them got tackled so the idea that it takes three is nonsense. It didn't take three. It just happened to have three and if

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Yes, that's why they destroyed the planet. But that has no bearing on how they went about doing it.

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes " it was the only way to show them the truth" Yeah they say that in episode 7 right after they blew up the planet to him or Thaddeus lol That's why they decided to do it because it was the only way to get them to stop. They didn't intend to do it to begin with

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Yea, that's why they destroyed the planet, but that's not proof that they could have done it on their own. Nolan is one of the strongest viltrumites and 1000 years old, if that was a thing viltrumites could just do, then he should know, and so should the others

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes He hoped that that would get them to see the truth and get them to surrender and make it impossible for them to deny the lie anymore

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Does he say that somewhere or are you working backwards to justify your already held beliefs?

@JonathanKaisen @Blu_red15 @Lonkstakes Why Nolan specifically said it was the only way to convince them. Of course he underestimates how stubborn thrag is

@JonathanKaisen @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes Nolan is 1000 years old, if Viltrumites could one-shot planets I think he'd know. Also, this is a written work. Having Space Racer shoot the planet and Nolan say, "We need to time it right or we could die," are both deliberate choices with heavy implications.

@Blu_red15 @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes No. He says they could die, not that it's a guarantee, he also implies that more people were needed in the show. So he made a wrong guess. Besides, them dying if they hit the core doesn't mean they don't still destroy the planet with their force. Viltrumite AP>>>Durability

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes He literally says if they don't time it perfectly, they could die on impact with the core

@Blu_red15 @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes No it doesn't because every time you guys quote that stuff they keep saying we could lol They didn't know if they could or not. That's why they did that like it didn't even originally intend to have three of them. It was meant to be five of them. It just happened to be three

@ChiChi_Verse @JonathanKaisen @Lonkstakes Are you talking about exit holes being larger than entry holes? That's not cuz they're further away. It's cuz the bullet is pushing outward when exiting instead of inward. Also, the laser seems to stay a consistent size and vaporize what it hits, so I don't think that applies

@JonathanKaisen @Blu_red15 @Lonkstakes Because he shot them at close range. It's like that way with a real bullet. If you shoot something closer up it just shoots through it quicker causing less damage than it does from further away That's why it blew up that star from a distance. But not them close up

@JonathanKaisen @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes It's explicitly said in the comic and implicit in the show that without the laser disrupting it, the three of them would not have been able to destroy Viltrum. They'd have hit the core and died.

@ChiChi_Verse @Blu_red15 @Lonkstakes Okay, but then why didn't Nolan just tell Space Racer to shoot the planet from further away then? All in all, Viltrumites are planetary from Nolan moving a planet and the three rebels exploding Viltrum. But the star thing isn't proof they're starting level to me

@JonathanKaisen @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes The funny thing about this is that if you're saying it's easier to destroy a star than a planet, then bragging about the laser being star busting is much less impressive

@Blu_red15 @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes Compared to a planet they are, compared to a Viltrumite they are. Otherwise, please explain why Viltrumites didn't explode when hit by the Ray, why the Ray alone couldn't explode Viltrum, and why the Ray could explode a star all on it's own then?

@JonathanKaisen @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes You're framing stars as uniquely unstable. If the laser has enough power to disrupt that balance in a meaningful way, then it should be able to destroy a planet. Especially when 3 viltrumites who are themselves not planet killers were enough to make up the difference

@Blu_red15 @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes Stars aren't bombs because of the balance between gravity that holds them together being equalled by the power of the nuclear fusion pushing them apart. Space Racers Infinity Ray upsets that balance and causes it to explode.

@JonathanKaisen @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes Stars are nuclear reactors because the insane amount of pressure their mass exerts on their cores. They aren't bombs.

@Blu_red15 @ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes Same reason why it doesn't cause Viltrumites to explode when it does same to ships when both get shot. Stars are way more volatile than planets since they are giant nuclear reactors.

@ChiChi_Verse @Lonkstakes If that gun can one-shot stars, why couldn't it destroy Viltrum?

@Lonkstakes The problem with that argument is that we hear what Mark is reading based off of Nolan's narration in his head and he doesn't describe him shooting a star with the infinity Ray. Meaning that this is an actual flashback for the audience to see how powerful this thing is lol

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@wilvortex @KingpinThawne I disagree. I only consider game mechanics non canon if they contradict canon in some way. It is a game after all.

@Blu_red15 @KingpinThawne There's no such thing as proof of something not being canon, either it's a part of the story and it's written into it, or it isn't. I don't need to "prove" sonic wind isn't canon, it was never written into anything, it's a game mechanic, thus it's not canon, simple

Explain this nerd

@wilvortex @KingpinThawne Shadow being created to be the ultimate lifeform doesn't really matter when Sonic is repeated shown and stated to equal him. You seem to have forgotten that he's Him. And of course, I know the story. I've played every game that tells it, and they refuse to stop retelling it.

@Blu_red15 @KingpinThawne shadow is more porficient BY DESIGN but you as i pointed out earlier you don't know the story of shadow, which in a way tells me why you think the way you do but also just disqualifies you from discussing your own point

@wilvortex @KingpinThawne I'm not. My point is that there's no actual proof it's not canon. You prefer it not be canon but don't have any actual evidence for that. All you can say is, "He never uses it again." Which isn't really evidence of anything. In my opinion, it's perfectly consistent.

@Blu_red15 @KingpinThawne and then again, my point isn't that sonic isn't able to learn stuff bruh, it's that sonic wind isn't canon, that's it, you're straying away from the point

@wilvortex @KingpinThawne We're talking in circles now. But also, you don't know that. Shadow is more proficient because he actually uses those abilities. Unlike Sonic, who clearly isn't interested in them.

@Blu_red15 @KingpinThawne he learnt cc but shad will always have a better proficiency with chaos energy due to his biology. you're strawmanning there, nobody said sonic cannot manipulate chaos energy. if sonic is able to learn shit or not is irrelevant, sonic wind isn't canon, that's my point

@wilvortex @KingpinThawne Can't agree with that. Doesn't make sense to argue Sonic's chaos manipulation is limited when the specific ability he uses is the one that lets you bend and warp the literal fabric of reality. As opposed to making explosions or small energy projectiles.

@Blu_red15 @KingpinThawne Are you sure you are understanding me? by properties of the attack i meant chaos control and shadow's chaos powers, which we know the properties of. and what you're saying here is a leap in logic, sonic is capable of manipulationg chaos energy but in specific and limited ways-