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The press did not gin up a row between the president and the pope. Lest we forget, @realDonaldTrump lashed out at @pontifex on social media and in subsequent comments to reporters.
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron

There is a way past the absurd and deeply divisive “war” between the President and the Pope, which has been enthusiastically ginned up by the press. And it is indicated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2309 to be precise. After laying out the various criteria for determining a just war—proportionality, last resort, declaration by a competent authority, reasonable hope of success, etc.—the Catechism points out that “the evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.” The assumption is that the just war principles function, to use the technical term, as heuristic devices, designed to guide the practical decision-making of those civil authorities who have to adjudicate matters of war and peace. The role of the Church, therefore, is to call for peace and to urge that any conflict be strictly circumscribed by the moral constraints of the just war criteria. But it is not the role of the Church to evaluate whether a particular war is just or unjust. That appraisal belongs to the civil authorities, who, one presumes, have requisite knowledge of conditions on the ground. So, is the war in question truly the last resort? Is there really a balance between the good to be attained and the destruction caused by the war? Are combatants and non-combatants being properly distinguished in the waging of the conflict? Do the belligerents have right intention? Is there a reasonable hope of success? The posing of those questions—indeed the insistence upon their moral relevance—belongs rightly to the Church, but the answering of them belongs to the civil authorities. The Pope has said, on numerous occasions, that he is not a politician and that his role is not the determination of any nation's foreign policy. But he has just as clearly said that he will continue to speak for peace and for moral constraint. In making both of these claims, he is operating perfectly within the framework of paragraph 2309 of the Catechism. If we understand that the Pope and the President have qualitatively different roles to play in the determination of moral action in regard to war, we can, I hope, extricate ourselves from the completely unhelpful narrative of “Pope vs. President.”

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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@MassimoFaggioli Professor Faggioli, you are an interesting academic because you can get a lot of ideas across in a few words. Barron is the classic long winded academic. He needs more and more ink to get his arguments across to defend Trump.
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Massimo Faggioli
Massimo Faggioli@MassimoFaggioli·
this is interesting
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron

There is a way past the absurd and deeply divisive “war” between the President and the Pope, which has been enthusiastically ginned up by the press. And it is indicated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2309 to be precise. After laying out the various criteria for determining a just war—proportionality, last resort, declaration by a competent authority, reasonable hope of success, etc.—the Catechism points out that “the evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.” The assumption is that the just war principles function, to use the technical term, as heuristic devices, designed to guide the practical decision-making of those civil authorities who have to adjudicate matters of war and peace. The role of the Church, therefore, is to call for peace and to urge that any conflict be strictly circumscribed by the moral constraints of the just war criteria. But it is not the role of the Church to evaluate whether a particular war is just or unjust. That appraisal belongs to the civil authorities, who, one presumes, have requisite knowledge of conditions on the ground. So, is the war in question truly the last resort? Is there really a balance between the good to be attained and the destruction caused by the war? Are combatants and non-combatants being properly distinguished in the waging of the conflict? Do the belligerents have right intention? Is there a reasonable hope of success? The posing of those questions—indeed the insistence upon their moral relevance—belongs rightly to the Church, but the answering of them belongs to the civil authorities. The Pope has said, on numerous occasions, that he is not a politician and that his role is not the determination of any nation's foreign policy. But he has just as clearly said that he will continue to speak for peace and for moral constraint. In making both of these claims, he is operating perfectly within the framework of paragraph 2309 of the Catechism. If we understand that the Pope and the President have qualitatively different roles to play in the determination of moral action in regard to war, we can, I hope, extricate ourselves from the completely unhelpful narrative of “Pope vs. President.”

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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@ggatehouse I’m reading “the Sovereign Individual “ as you highlighted. only 50 pages in. Iran war shows the authors idea that cyber technology networks is only concern is limited. But its framework for valuation of offensive vs defensive violence and topography is weirdly predictive!!
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@NCRonline The spectrum here across the Right shocked by Trump’s unhinged apocalyptic threats is stunning: Archbishop Coakley, Robert George, Candace Owens, and E Michael Jones. Wow! Throw in Sen Ron Johnson, Megyn Kelly, Tucker Carlson. Apparently still no comment from Bishop Barron!!
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NCR@NCRonline·
Catholics across the ideological spectrum expressed alarm and condemned President Donald Trump's threat that "a whole civilization will die tonight" unless Iran strikes a deal with the United States by 8 p.m. Eastern on April 7. ncronline.org/news/catholics…
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@MassimoFaggioli Trump’s Religious Liberty Commission has become Barron’s Iran War. It’s all so embarrassing, but Barron can’t get out
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@MassimoFaggioli @LoyolaTCD You’ve described US Catholicism as a prize that was sold before. Your description of why that prize is valuable really jumped at me. My HS senior is visiting Villanova in 2 weeks as an accepted student. So disappointed you moved onto Ireland!( but I see the opportunity)
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@ChristopherHale Laura Fields does a great job of describing the intellectual foundations of the post liberal Catholics ( Patrick Deneen, Andrew Vermeule) and the hypermasculine, hierarchical elements of MAGA that overlap with far Right Catholicism in “Furious Minds “. nytimes.com/2025/12/17/boo…
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@ChristopherHale Last year this event featured a lot of wing nut clerical types: Bishop Strickland, Father Altman, Pavone, Heilman types. The unpolished versions of Bishop Barron. This year the lay people seem to want to be really front and center…. And from the Tucker Carlson wing of crazy
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Christopher Hale
Christopher Hale@ChristopherHale·
I’ve been invited to speak at this tomorrow.
Christopher Hale tweet media
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@MassimoFaggioli Boller was added to “Gala” program and then came out against war in Iraq. independent.co.uk/news/world/ame… I wonder if she somehow now has to cancel. Wondering which wing nut priests will show up. Not feeling the same vibe as last year’s Mar a Lago “ Gala”
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@MassimoFaggioli @litpress I recall you were quoted and videotaped in the AP news story by Tim Sullivan “ A Step Back in Time”. That story was datelined by my former parish in Madison, St Maria Goretti. Sullivan is based in Minneapolis. Hope he gets wind of this. You worked well together
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Massimo Faggioli
Massimo Faggioli@MassimoFaggioli·
Hope to see some of my Twin Cities friends on Saturday February 28 at 10 AM at St Cecilia in St. Paul MN. Beginning of the preparations with @litpress ...
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@jennmorson @annamlulis obscure 2005 movie on group of young adults who collect frozen food entrees called Never Been Thawed. In it side story on a failed rock group that pivots to Christian Rock. mentor says to follow the required song format: man screws up, man finds Jesus , Jesus fixes problem
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Jenn Morson
Jenn Morson@jennmorson·
@annamlulis Was that before or after the song about strippers and crackheads that he performed.
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Anna Lulis
Anna Lulis@annamlulis·
Millions just heard the Gospel preached from a former drug addict. No one is too far gone for Christ.
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@nytimes Firmly Right Archbishop of Military Broglio states Catholic US officers could disobey "immoral orders" against Greenland. Hard to imagine Broglio getting through lunch with Cupich. Is dam finally breaking? Will the Pentagon investigate Bishop Broglio? thetablet.co.uk/news/broglio-u…
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The New York Times@nytimes·
Top U.S. Catholic clerics said that the U.S.'s “moral role in confronting evil around the world” is in question for the first time in decades. nyti.ms/4jQRLE2
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
@MassimoFaggioli @commonwealmag MAGA and US conservative Catholicism often strikes me as chicken and egg question. What begets what? Faggioli explanations of this question knock the ball out of the park more often than the Dodgers in October. And he explains all the consequences concisely as well
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Wally Block@Bucky_Block·
Perhaps these rapid elevations from auxiliary show some lack of enthusiasm and trust for some of the US Bishops waiting in the wings?
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