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Why put rice ie carbs on the front of a leaflet about T2 diabetes??? Why not show eggs, olive oil and non starchy veggies which is what people with T2 diabetes should actually eat to reverse their condition? Not impressed at all… @Diabetescouk @lowcarbGP #diabetes
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@DrEenfeldt I’ve been eating low carb for 8 years and have kept my diabetes in remission. But I do really miss some carbs such as simple porridge oats for example. Are you now saying that total calories rather than carbs are the issue with T2 diabetes?
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”This man” is right. So who is stupid exactly? (Low carb still works - excess carbohydrates is one of the main causes of energy toxicity. Just not the only cause)
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@lowcarbGP @rcgp @DiabetesUK @OfficialADSOrg I’ve been eating 4 eggs for my first meal for over 8 years now. Latest A1C is 33. Was diabetic on medication for over 10 years. Reversal is definitely possible!
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@DrEenfeldt @ProfTimNoakes Seems more likely that Covid lead to an accelerated spike in obesity given the diabetes rate is still going up. I’m seeing most people who stopped GLP1s gaining it all back across socials
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This is a remarkable change, and if it's due to Ozempic and similar GLP-1 drugs it will only accelerate.🔥 By the way our data shows that you can get an effect of the same magnitude or more just by changing what you eat, so your food makes you feel full while eating less. In other words, food with a higher satiety per calorie. To be fair it requires a significant diet change in order to match Ozempic and similar drugs, but it seems very possible.
Gil Carvalho MD PhD🌈🇵🇸@NutritionMadeS3

Obesity in the US has declined since 2022, from almost 40% to now 37% One candidate to explain this? Ozempic. news.gallup.com/poll/696599/ob…

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@BenBikmanPhD Are you aware of any research / evidence on non responders to GLP1s? Have been on Mounjaro over 3 months now and no effect on suppression, food noise or fullness for longer. Could I be a non responder?
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@BenBikmanPhD would appreciate advice on microdosing Wegovey to get me back on track with low carb. Which dose do you recommend for a 90 day temporary use? Lost 100 pounds 7 yrs ago with low carb; gained 20 back over last yr (menopause & increase in hunger & fruit carbs). Thanks
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@DrEenfeldt Low carb helped me tremendously to reverse T2 diabetes and lose 100 pounds & kept it off for 7 years. But it’s not getting me to the finishing line no matter how hard I try I can’t seem to shift the final 20odd pounds
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While low carb often works well, I fear the low-carb movement is stuck in dogma, stuck in the past. This limits its effectiveness and potential. If this dogma could be shattered, fantastic possibilities would arise. The intent, passion, and expertise are all already in place.
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@DrEenfeldt Gosh and I‘ve been avoiding lentils for years now for fear my diabetes reversal might be compromised if I eat them! Love lentils in salads
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Here's your regular reminder: don't fear beans or lentils! Beans should be great for weight loss and type 2 diabetes reversal. Although they may contain some carbs, they are full of protein and fiber and very low in energy density. Also, they are far from addictive. All in all, they all score on the high end of the SPC scale, and people eating foods like that eat far less: x.com/DrEenfeldt/sta… Try upgrading your diet – the HAVA app is here to help. iPhone: apps.apple.com/us/app/hava-ea… Android: play.google.com/store/apps/det…
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It’s time to share our results. We’ve developed a revolutionary approach to eating for weight loss and metabolic health. It’s like GLP-1 drugs (e.g., Ozempic), but with food. We call it Satiety Per Calorie (SPC). Using data from 67,000 days of eating logged by thousands of users in our Hava app, we’ve now validated that our SPC method appears to work remarkably well. Today, for the first time, we are publicly releasing these results. Why SPC matters The SPC method offers a potential new and innovative way to treat or prevent obesity, metabolic syndrome, and related disorders. It may also help improve body composition. Background Our goal is to guide people toward foods, meals, and eating patterns that lead them to naturally eat fewer calories—without consciously restricting portion sizes—while still getting plenty of protein and other essential nutrients. This significant reduction in caloric intake occurs while allowing people to eat as much or as little as they desire. The dramatic reduction in calorie intake we’re demonstrating could yield results similar to those documented with GLP-1 drugs, including weight loss, improved type 2 diabetes management, a decreased risk of several diseases, and even extended lifespan. While GLP-1s are satiety drugs, we focus on satiety foods. Because our approach is non-pharmaceutical, it may avoid some of the negative side effects of GLP-1 drugs, such as nausea and potentially excessive muscle loss. It also bypasses the high cost associated with these drugs. For the past year, our Hava Eat nutrition app has made this approach accessible. Users can log their meals simply by taking a photo. Our state-of-the-art AI estimates the ingredients and amounts within seconds, instantly providing feedback. Our approach predicts which foods will lead to higher or lower overall calorie consumption. The key factors include protein percentage, energy density, fiber content, and estimated hyper-palatability. These components are well-supported by existing research. Our proprietary composite SPC score ranges from 0 to 100. We designed it to predict outcomes observed in human trials. Although we’ve seen encouraging results and have heard positive reports from our customers, we have not until now validated the scoring directly with user data. Data and results We now have 67,000 days of eating logged by thousands of users over the past 11 months. We used this data to examine the relationship between the average SPC score of a day’s meals and the total number of calories consumed that day. We excluded days that appeared incomplete or unreasonably large (below 420 or above 8,000 calories). Here, we show all days with an SPC score between 20 (extremely low) and 80 (extremely high). The vast majority of days fall within this range. Results Comments As you can see, there is a remarkably strong correlation between the SPC score of the foods consumed and the total calories eaten. At lower SPC scores, people eat nearly twice as many calories as they do when consuming high-SPC foods. At a balanced midpoint (SPC of 50), daily caloric intake falls somewhere between these two extremes. The relationship is roughly linear. This suggests that no matter where someone starts, increasing their SPC score by even a modest amount is likely to be associated with a noticeable decrease in caloric intake, potentially resulting in relative weight loss. Our average daily caloric intakes may seem low, likely due to including incomplete days (where users didn’t log all meals). We set a minimum cutoff of 420 calories to include a day’s data, but some people may log only one or two meals. This skews the average downward. If we increase the cutoff to a minimum of 1,000 calories to account for more complete days, the low-SPC range shows average intakes of around 2,500 calories—more in line with typical consumption. However, this higher cutoff skews the data at high SPC levels, where many days fall below 1,000 calories. It’s important to note that our app does not pressure customers to restrict their calories. Instead, it promotes two daily goals: A) Maintaining a good SPC range for the day (50-70 is a reasonable target). B) Eating more protein (with at least 1.6 g/kg of ideal body weight as a minimum recommendation). Additional analyses We also examined correlations between each of the SPC components and total calories consumed. These components include protein percentage, fiber (grams per 1,000 calories), energy density, and hyper-palatability (based on combinations of nutrients like fat and sugar, fat and salt, and carbs and salt). We plan to publish these graphs later, but preliminary results show that while each factor individually correlates with caloric intake, none is as consistently strong as the composite SPC score. Hyper-palatability shows the strongest individual correlation, and fiber the weakest. Out of curiosity, we also examined net carbohydrate percentage relative to total intake. While there is a correlation, it’s less consistent than with SPC. The relationship for carbohydrates peaks around 40% and shows lower caloric intake at both lower and higher ranges, but even zero carbs don’t correlate with the same low-calorie levels as a high SPC score. Implications These findings have important implications. Our SPC scoring, which combines several well-researched factors, appears significantly stronger and more consistent than any individual factor from other dietary approaches. Another advantage is that SPC is diet-agnostic. It can be applied to any dietary preference, making it highly flexible. The demonstrated effect—halving caloric intake when moving from low- to high-SPC foods—is large, but such a drastic dietary change might be challenging for most people. However, even a more modest shift, say from an SPC of 30 to an SPC of 55, corresponds to about a 20% reduction in caloric intake, which could have very meaningful impacts on weight and health. If these initial findings hold up through further testing, SPC could become a more effective and more flexible approach than current options. We intend to continue our research and gather more data as more people use the Hava Eat app. We will also follow up with results on body weight and metabolic health factors as they become available. Summary Users of our Hava Eat app consume significantly fewer calories when they choose foods with higher SPC scores—despite there being no explicit goal within the app to reduce calorie intake. We are reporting this strong correlation for the first time today. This likely results from higher SPC scores encouraging people to eat foods that are higher in protein percentage, lower in energy density, richer in fiber, and less hyper-palatable. The combination appears more powerful than any single factor alone. With this approach, the Hava app offers a flexible, simple way to guide better eating habits. Our goal is to make it simple to eat better, no matter what dietary style you prefer. If you’re interested, you’re welcome to download the Hava Eat app from the app stores. We’re continually improving it, often releasing significant updates every week. A big thank you to our hard-working and talented team, and sincere gratitude to our customers. We couldn’t do this without you. We also appreciate all the feedback we’ve received about SPC and the Hava app over the past few years. We welcome your continued input!

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@etventadv @DrEenfeldt 4eggs, 4 bacon rashers, my homemade protein bread, 250g Greek Joghurt for meal 1. A protein bar as a snack. 2 Mince beef burgers with cheese in salad wrap and cottage cheese & 90% cacao for desert
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Definitely go high protein. A high-fat carnivore diet could be an option for weight loss. However, low protein intake will always be suboptimal at best for body composition and muscle building. Also, don't fear fibrous veggies. They will help those goals, too.
Honk@gfish4812

@KetoCarnivore @DrEenfeldt If body fat weight loss and muscle builidng is my current goal should I stick "standard" carnivore or choose higher fat version?

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@jakebraekes @DrEenfeldt Interesting. My waste to hip ratio is 0.82 which seems to be below the 0.85 recommendation for women. Guess below 0.8 would be an ideal goal to aim for
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If losing weight was all about the carbs, every zero carber would be as lean as humanly possible. Yet, the leanest people are usually on some SPC-maximizing approach.
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@DrEenfeldt Love beans but have been avoiding them for fear of my diabetes returning. Why are they now good all of a sudden? Hard to figure out what is the right way anymore these days
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This is one way to do it that can work well. However, it's sad when people fear berries, fruits, or beans. That's not necessary. Also, wearing a CGM completely misses the problem with added fats; instead, they can appear to help by blunting blood glucose "spikes." Excessive added fats can block people from burning their visceral fat stores, maintaining insulin resistance and sensitivity to carbs indefinitely. Extremely low carb is one way to succeed, but it's likely not optimal. Furthermore, blanket advice implying people should avoid even normal elevations in blood glucose can lead to unnecessary worry and lack of variety, worst case making life less enjoyable. A bit of fluctuation in blood glucose is normal and healthy.
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Listen to @zoeharcombe and reverse Type 2 Diabetes

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@DrEenfeldt I eat loads of protein (easily over 2 g per kg of body weight) but am always worried this leads to higher blood sugar levels which as a reversed diabetic would be worrisome. A1C hovering in low 5‘s so a bit higher than I‘d like it to be. Should I eat less protein & more fat?
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How does protein affect caloric intake? Here's what our data shows: x.com/DrEenfeldt/sta…
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How does protein affect weight loss? How much should you eat? We're continuing to share insights from 67,000 logged days of eating collected from thousands of users of the Hava app. As we discussed recently, our innovative Satiety Per Calorie (SPC) scoring demonstrates a strong correlation with the number of calories consumed: x.com/DrEenfeldt/sta… This scoring incorporates four evidence-based factors, one of which is protein percentage. Today, let's focus specifically on protein percentage and its relationship with caloric intake. Here’s how protein percentage correlates with calorie consumption across those 67,000 days: Comments – high protein percentages At first glance, this graph might seem strange, but it aligns with findings from numerous previous studies. Within the normal range of protein intake (approximately 10–30%), people tend to consume the most calories at the lower end of the range. As protein percentage increases, caloric intake declines—higher protein percentages are associated with fewer calories consumed. Interestingly, the data shows that some individuals consume very high-protein diets, with protein percentages reaching or even exceeding 50%. Notably, there doesn’t appear to be an upper limit to protein’s satiety-inducing effect—the higher the protein percentage, the fewer calories people eat. This lack of a higher bound to this effect, despite some extremely high-protein days, may be the most novel and intriguing finding from this data. Comments – low protein percentages At the extremely low end, days with less than 10% protein intake are also associated with (significantly) reduced caloric intake. This phenomenon has been observed in several prior studies. Humans tend to eat the most when their diets are around 10–12% protein—coincidentally, the protein percentage found in many ultra-processed and fast-food-heavy diets. Is that a coincidence, do you think? When protein intake drops to extremely low levels, calorie consumption also declines. This effect is leveraged in niche diets like fruitarian or "rice diets." However, I would not recommend these diets. Much of the weight loss in such cases is likely due to muscle mass loss from protein deficiency—an unsustainable and unhealthy approach in the long term. Bottom line Since extremely low-protein diets are problematic and not recommended, we're left with a simple pattern. The higher the protein percentage in the food you eat, the fewer calories you are likely to eat. This powerful effect can be successfully used in any weight-loss diet, to improve metabolic health, or simply to get leaner and stronger. This effect has been dubbed the "protein leverage hypothesis", by Professor Raubenheimer and Simpson @eatlikeanimals. Protein percentage vs SPC A final note: while the effect of protein on satiety is significant, it’s less consistent and robust compared to the overall SPC scoring. SPC also accounts for factors like energy density, hyperpalatability (hedonic factors), and fiber content. These combined factors make the SPC approach more flexible and effective than just relying on one factor. Although a high-protein diet can align with SPC, other levers can also achieve high SPC scores. It’s entirely possible to maintain high SPC scores on a diet with moderate protein intake if desired. Full SPC results: x.com/DrEenfeldt/sta… Do you have questions about our data or how to use it? Curious about eating a higher-protein diet? Ask them here, and I’ll address many.

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It’s time to share our results. We’ve developed a revolutionary approach to eating for weight loss and metabolic health. It’s like GLP-1 drugs (e.g., Ozempic), but with food. We call it Satiety Per Calorie (SPC). Using data from 67,000 days of eating logged by thousands of users in our Hava app, we’ve now validated that our SPC method appears to work remarkably well. Today, for the first time, we are publicly releasing these results. Why SPC matters The SPC method offers a potential new and innovative way to treat or prevent obesity, metabolic syndrome, and related disorders. It may also help improve body composition. Background Our goal is to guide people toward foods, meals, and eating patterns that lead them to naturally eat fewer calories—without consciously restricting portion sizes—while still getting plenty of protein and other essential nutrients. This significant reduction in caloric intake occurs while allowing people to eat as much or as little as they desire. The dramatic reduction in calorie intake we’re demonstrating could yield results similar to those documented with GLP-1 drugs, including weight loss, improved type 2 diabetes management, a decreased risk of several diseases, and even extended lifespan. While GLP-1s are satiety drugs, we focus on satiety foods. Because our approach is non-pharmaceutical, it may avoid some of the negative side effects of GLP-1 drugs, such as nausea and potentially excessive muscle loss. It also bypasses the high cost associated with these drugs. For the past year, our Hava Eat nutrition app has made this approach accessible. Users can log their meals simply by taking a photo. Our state-of-the-art AI estimates the ingredients and amounts within seconds, instantly providing feedback. Our approach predicts which foods will lead to higher or lower overall calorie consumption. The key factors include protein percentage, energy density, fiber content, and estimated hyper-palatability. These components are well-supported by existing research. Our proprietary composite SPC score ranges from 0 to 100. We designed it to predict outcomes observed in human trials. Although we’ve seen encouraging results and have heard positive reports from our customers, we have not until now validated the scoring directly with user data. Data and results We now have 67,000 days of eating logged by thousands of users over the past 11 months. We used this data to examine the relationship between the average SPC score of a day’s meals and the total number of calories consumed that day. We excluded days that appeared incomplete or unreasonably large (below 420 or above 8,000 calories). Here, we show all days with an SPC score between 20 (extremely low) and 80 (extremely high). The vast majority of days fall within this range. Results Comments As you can see, there is a remarkably strong correlation between the SPC score of the foods consumed and the total calories eaten. At lower SPC scores, people eat nearly twice as many calories as they do when consuming high-SPC foods. At a balanced midpoint (SPC of 50), daily caloric intake falls somewhere between these two extremes. The relationship is roughly linear. This suggests that no matter where someone starts, increasing their SPC score by even a modest amount is likely to be associated with a noticeable decrease in caloric intake, potentially resulting in relative weight loss. Our average daily caloric intakes may seem low, likely due to including incomplete days (where users didn’t log all meals). We set a minimum cutoff of 420 calories to include a day’s data, but some people may log only one or two meals. This skews the average downward. If we increase the cutoff to a minimum of 1,000 calories to account for more complete days, the low-SPC range shows average intakes of around 2,500 calories—more in line with typical consumption. However, this higher cutoff skews the data at high SPC levels, where many days fall below 1,000 calories. It’s important to note that our app does not pressure customers to restrict their calories. Instead, it promotes two daily goals: A) Maintaining a good SPC range for the day (50-70 is a reasonable target). B) Eating more protein (with at least 1.6 g/kg of ideal body weight as a minimum recommendation). Additional analyses We also examined correlations between each of the SPC components and total calories consumed. These components include protein percentage, fiber (grams per 1,000 calories), energy density, and hyper-palatability (based on combinations of nutrients like fat and sugar, fat and salt, and carbs and salt). We plan to publish these graphs later, but preliminary results show that while each factor individually correlates with caloric intake, none is as consistently strong as the composite SPC score. Hyper-palatability shows the strongest individual correlation, and fiber the weakest. Out of curiosity, we also examined net carbohydrate percentage relative to total intake. While there is a correlation, it’s less consistent than with SPC. The relationship for carbohydrates peaks around 40% and shows lower caloric intake at both lower and higher ranges, but even zero carbs don’t correlate with the same low-calorie levels as a high SPC score. Implications These findings have important implications. Our SPC scoring, which combines several well-researched factors, appears significantly stronger and more consistent than any individual factor from other dietary approaches. Another advantage is that SPC is diet-agnostic. It can be applied to any dietary preference, making it highly flexible. The demonstrated effect—halving caloric intake when moving from low- to high-SPC foods—is large, but such a drastic dietary change might be challenging for most people. However, even a more modest shift, say from an SPC of 30 to an SPC of 55, corresponds to about a 20% reduction in caloric intake, which could have very meaningful impacts on weight and health. If these initial findings hold up through further testing, SPC could become a more effective and more flexible approach than current options. We intend to continue our research and gather more data as more people use the Hava Eat app. We will also follow up with results on body weight and metabolic health factors as they become available. Summary Users of our Hava Eat app consume significantly fewer calories when they choose foods with higher SPC scores—despite there being no explicit goal within the app to reduce calorie intake. We are reporting this strong correlation for the first time today. This likely results from higher SPC scores encouraging people to eat foods that are higher in protein percentage, lower in energy density, richer in fiber, and less hyper-palatable. The combination appears more powerful than any single factor alone. With this approach, the Hava app offers a flexible, simple way to guide better eating habits. Our goal is to make it simple to eat better, no matter what dietary style you prefer. If you’re interested, you’re welcome to download the Hava Eat app from the app stores. We’re continually improving it, often releasing significant updates every week. A big thank you to our hard-working and talented team, and sincere gratitude to our customers. We couldn’t do this without you. We also appreciate all the feedback we’ve received about SPC and the Hava app over the past few years. We welcome your continued input!
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@DrEenfeldt Is there really any point in being concerned about fibre and sugar alcohols when trying to lose weight? Or is net carbs the thing to look at?
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How many carbs do people eat? Out of 67,000 days of eating logged in the Hava app, here's the distribution. Most people are on the lower carb end. The average percentage of net carbs is 23.6% of calories or 89 grams daily. However, there's a wide range from virtually zero carbs up to a high-carb diet, with 50% of energy coming from carbs. Our Hava SPC approach is compatible with anything from zero-carb carnivore diets to high-carb plant-based whole foods diets. It can all work. (Note, SPC means satiety per calorie) However, generally speaking, somewhat lower carb diets tend to do better at reducing caloric intake while still getting plenty of protein and other nutrients. We'll soon publish more data on this. Processed, fiber-less carbs, especially sugar, appear to be the worst kinds of carbs for keeping SPC scores high and spontaneously reducing caloric intake. How many carbs do you eat per day?
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@Tellit007 @DrEenfeldt Definitely used it. Great it works for you. I’m sure you’re hoping the strong research data on how most people gain most of the weight back when they stop taking GLP1s won’t apply to you
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@C_Veggie @DrEenfeldt My n=1 nullifies yours. Also, yours makes 0 sense. You did not need Mounjaro, which is why it did not "work". Not to mention, you did not actually use Mounjaro since your doc would not prescribe it because you did not qualify for its indication. Classic troll.
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@Tellit007 @DrEenfeldt Any quality hard outcome data on GLP1’s is useless to me if it just doesn’t work for me. Did my own n=1 study
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@DrEenfeldt @C_Veggie More effective based on what quality hard outcome data from which long term RCT? Self reported, short term observational data not anywhere near the quality data we have on GLP-1s.
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@DrEenfeldt Agree, think SPC is the next thing to give a go. Sounds like the most sensible approach long term
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@C_Veggie Try Hava and SPC, can be more effective according to our data.
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@BenBikmanPhD been low carb & 18:6 for 7 years (reversed T2 & lost 100 pounds & kept it off for 6.5 yrs). Now menopausal & gained 15 pounds (BMI 31). Just cannot shift the weight again as I’m so hungry. Would GLP1 be a good option for a few months to get me started again? Thanks
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