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Muhammad Sher Ali
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Muhammad Sher Ali
@ChSherAliDhoota
I do not care for praise or blame. I shall continue to serve the nation to the best of my ability. — Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah
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@SiriusXSimurgh Dismissing classical giants like Al-Tusi & Al-Najashi as "blindly following scholars" while begging me to read a random internet article is the ultimate white flag. You moved every goalpost, contradicted yourself 4 times, and ended up here. Debate over.
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No. You are trying to run a pre-planned script on me but it's not going to work cause I don't follow scholars blindly.
And this isn't me rewriting history. I recommend you read the article mentioned in the post tagged. There's a large consensus on this.
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Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Watching you desperately rewrite Islamic history to cover up your own self-destruction is pure comedy. You’ve changed your defense four times now. Next you’ll tell me the Imams wrote to you in a dream to save your argument.
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Let’s be honest the reckless escalation against Iran isn’t about defense it’s about the political calendar. Is it a coincidence they're starting a war right before Israel's Oct 27 election & the US Nov 3 midterms? Cynical electoral strategy using blood to win votes. #Iran
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@SiriusXSimurgh Watching you desperately rewrite Islamic history to cover up your own self-destruction is pure comedy. You’ve changed your defense four times now. Next you’ll tell me the Imams wrote to you in a dream to save your argument.
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I know how ilm al rijal works because I use Sunni books all the time.
Sunnis developed this method because your early scholars destroyed & proscribed the written tradition for 120-150 years
Shia ahadith has a DIFFERENT history & hence requires DIFFERENT verification methods
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh You completely trapped yourself. I drop Shia sources to school you, and your defense is to argue how much better Sunni Rijal books are. If you admire Sunni criteria so much for its accuracy and documentation, you are literally admitting Sunni Hadith verification is correct.
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@SiriusXSimurgh You completely trapped yourself. I drop Shia sources to school you, and your defense is to argue how much better Sunni Rijal books are. If you admire Sunni criteria so much for its accuracy and documentation, you are literally admitting Sunni Hadith verification is correct.
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This is embarrassing on your part because Sunni ilm al rijal is primarily based on testing the memory of people, accuracy & documenting geographical locations & date of death.
Show me that in these books? It isn't mentioned much . You have taken those "gradings" out of context.
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh You have clearly never opened these books. Najashi and Kashshi are filled with explicit grading words like "ثقة عين" and "كذاب". To say they lack biographical data for Jarh/Tadil proves you don't even know what Shia Rijal terms look like. Total embarrassment.
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@SiriusXSimurgh You reject tawatur (mutawatir)? Congratulations, you just destroyed your own Akhbari stance. Akhbaris rely heavily on mutawatir narrations. If oral transmission cannot give certain knowledge, your whole foundation is gone. You are literally burning your own house down.
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@ChSherAliDhoota I reject the very notion of mutawatir ORAL transmissions bringing certain knowledge. And now you are back to appealing to it since the evidence I brought is quite damaging & points to tahrif.
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OK. Can we recite it then? If it is authorized, then we should recite it. But you will claim no
Secondly, how can there be 7 ahruf if each knowledgeable Sahabi had his own harf??? They would EASILY exceed 7
So is the 7 ahruf tradition EVEN APPLICABLE here or not? Don't assume
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Your blue highlight literally says "الحرف القرآني" (Quranic Harf). In Islamic sciences, a prophetic Harf is an authorized, divinely sanctioned dialect mode, NOT text corruption or tahrif. You literally just highlighted the exact text that completely kills your argument.
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@SiriusXSimurgh You have clearly never opened these books. Najashi and Kashshi are filled with explicit grading words like "ثقة عين" and "كذاب". To say they lack biographical data for Jarh/Tadil proves you don't even know what Shia Rijal terms look like. Total embarrassment.
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@ChSherAliDhoota They are books of indexes. You can't be serious if you believe they are like the Tehzeeb of al Mizzi, or al Thiqat of Ibn Hibban or Siyar of Al Dhahabi. They are not like that at all. The biographical data is awfully inadequate for jarh/tadil.
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Why would Akhbari scholars care about the asanid if they never compiled books of ilm al rijal like the Sunnis?
All we have are indexes or fihrists where the names of people are mentioned & other details are often missing, like death dates.
Ilm al Rijal is not a Shia science
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh You claim to follow the Imams, yet your main evidence comes from a text where the scribe proudly admits he stripped all the chains (وحذفت إسناده). Your "thousands of narrations" rely on broken, unverified manuscripts that actual Akhbari scholars wouldn't touch.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Your blue highlight literally says "الحرف القرآني" (Quranic Harf). In Islamic sciences, a prophetic Harf is an authorized, divinely sanctioned dialect mode, NOT text corruption or tahrif. You literally just highlighted the exact text that completely kills your argument.
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You can't be serious. The author refutes this point. There's no evidence for this. Check the red highlight. And the light blue/grey part ends up with my conclusion.
Why are you ignoring the whole text for a snippet???
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh You literally do not read your own screenshots. Look at the explanation section (توجيه القراءة) right at the bottom of your image: "إنما أرادا التفسير لا التلاوة" (They only intended explanation/Tafsir, not recitation). It wasn’t a different verse, it was a commentary note!
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@SiriusXSimurgh You claim to follow the Imams, yet your main evidence comes from a text where the scribe proudly admits he stripped all the chains (وحذفت إسناده). Your "thousands of narrations" rely on broken, unverified manuscripts that actual Akhbari scholars wouldn't touch.
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@ChSherAliDhoota I have told you I lean towards the Akhbari school. The consensus of Shia scholars means nothing to me unless it is backed by the traditions of infallible Imams.
Their narrations on the corruption of Quran number in thousands.
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No. But instead of wasting my time on general remarks, I will bring a specific eg to make my point.
There are reports that Ibn Masood used to recite Surah al Ikhlas without قل
This was regarded by many mufasireen as a case of different harf specific to him
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Saying "harf of fulan" completely defeats your point. Calling it a حرف proves it belongs to the prophetic أحرف framework. Shia giants like Al-Tusi explicitly state these are valid linguistic modes (وجوه القراءات). You are just inventing definitions to fit your narrative.
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@SiriusXSimurgh You literally do not read your own screenshots. Look at the explanation section (توجيه القراءة) right at the bottom of your image: "إنما أرادا التفسير لا التلاوة" (They only intended explanation/Tafsir, not recitation). It wasn’t a different verse, it was a commentary note!
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Mashur recitation doesn't imply the other is false. This is just you running away from the evidence.
This is just the beginning. How about this verse where an entire word is different. Do you accept this harf & we can read it like this, if it's sanctioned by God per you.
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Your own image completely refutes you. Look at the bottom paragraph: "والمشهور أن ابن مسعود كان يقرؤها على الأصل وهو قل هو الله أحد" (The well-known position is that Ibn Masood recited it according to the standard text with 'Qul'). You didn't even read your own screenshot.
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@SiriusXSimurgh You are confusing the loss of alternate dialect variants with text corruption. Shia consensus from Al-Saduq to Al-Khoei confirms the Uthmanic Mushaf contains the exact, uncorrupted words revealed to the Prophet. Selecting the dominant reading isn't tahrif.
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Now my question to you @ChSherAliDhoota is the following. Can we recite Surah al Ikhlas without قل?
You will immediately say no. But why? Because this harf was ignored by Uthman. It's not in the Uthmanic Mushaf. 🤣
How is this not tahrif? And this is just the beginning of it.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Total distortion. The disagreements were over oral pronunciation styles, not the actual wording. Top Shia scholar Al-Tabarsi confirms in Majma al-Bayan that the text was already standardized; Uthman merely resolved vocal dialect disputes to preserve national unity.
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@ChSherAliDhoota You also ignored the fact they did went out for these search outs AFTER they disagred amongst themselves. Why was there disagreement if all the text was readily available & given? Your narrative falls apart.
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This narration from al Itqan proves not all of the Quran was compiled from written material.
In fact, they used to look for people to whom the Prophet ﷺ recited certain verses & then rely on their memory to write it down.
Is this infallible? Ofc not. This can fail.
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Complete distortion. The entire compilation process required both mass memorization AND written proof from the Prophet's ﷺ lifetime to accept a verse. You're so desperate to win an argument that you're literally claiming the Quran is incomplete.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Cross referencing written text with memorization is peak verification, not weakness. Shia top scholars like Al-Mufid and Al-Khoei both reject your premise and confirm the Quran's absolute preservation through widespread, flawless oral transmission (تواتر).
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@ChSherAliDhoota Who told you the verses were memorized perfectly? The Sahaba weren't INFALLIBLE
You missed my entire point. And if it was written down, no double checks would be needed as the written material is more stable than oral material. Your excuses are getting more & more weak.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Your own image completely refutes you. Look at the bottom paragraph: "والمشهور أن ابن مسعود كان يقرؤها على الأصل وهو قل هو الله أحد" (The well-known position is that Ibn Masood recited it according to the standard text with 'Qul'). You didn't even read your own screenshot.
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@dustandincense @scopethetruth You completely skipped Deuteronomy 21:14. It literally says if you have "no delight in her," you can just discard her. A system where a man takes a forced war captive and can legally dump her the moment he loses interest is anything but a "permanent protection."
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@ChSherAliDhoota @scopethetruth False equivalence buddy. Deuteronomy describes an actual marriage intended to be permanent, with legal rights and protections. Mut'ah is, by definition, a marriage contracted for a predetermined period that ends automatically. Those are fundamentally different institutions.
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Muhammad allowed temporary 'pleasure marriages' (mut'ah)—how is that not just religiously approved prostitution?
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@SiriusXSimurgh Saying "harf of fulan" completely defeats your point. Calling it a حرف proves it belongs to the prophetic أحرف framework. Shia giants like Al-Tusi explicitly state these are valid linguistic modes (وجوه القراءات). You are just inventing definitions to fit your narrative.
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I'm not confusing anything. You are the one who brought up the ahruf. And no, your books do claim the harf of fulan & fulan
I hope you are aware of this
Since the differences were niether the 10 Qiraat & no one knows what the 7 ahruf were, we take them as textual differences
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh You are confusing a حرف with a personal codex. Individual Sahaba learned different modes directly from the Prophet ﷺ. Top Shia Scholars like Al-Tusi (Al-Tibyan) and Al-Tabarsi (Majma al-Bayan) explicitly acknowledge these different linguistic modes (وجوه) for the people's ease.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Total checkmate. Early giant Sheikh al-Mufid literally states that isolated reports (أخبار الآحاد) do not establish قطع (certainty) for creed. Your claim that early sources had to be inherently Qati is a complete historical fabrication.
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@ChSherAliDhoota This is completely false. The early Shia principles are that it's not permissible to regard anything as from God in the religion if it's Zanni. I challenge you to prove this wrong. Don't bring me later/Usuli scholars. A relied upon source must be Qati.
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The first thing you should all note is Umar told Abu Bakr he feared the Quran might get lost after majority of its reciters died
If Umar knew Allah had promised to preserve the Quran, why did he express this fear? Did he not know or did he not trust Allah? Answer this first.
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@SiriusXSimurgh This is a stupid futile doubt purely for the sake of doubting. First consider how far back you can do to determine any changes and clearly the so called Uthmani codex is a point of reconciliation. Whatever happened before that may or may not be a cause for doubt.
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@SiriusXSimurgh Stop inventing a fake Usul. The scribe openly confesses in the introduction: "وحذفت إسناده" (and I deleted its chains) because he lacked the proper oral audition. The text itself refutes you; early Shia required chains, but this copyist ruined the manuscript.
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Esrly Shia works never relied on complete chains to begin with.
You are completely out of touch with our usul.
We care about TEXTUAL transmission through reliable scholars. That's it.
Tafsir al Ayashi is one of the oldest & most reliable tafsir of the Shia.
Muhammad Sher Ali@ChSherAliDhoota
@SiriusXSimurgh Relying on Tafsir al-Ayyashi is an academic joke. The book is entirely مرسل (Mursil) because the scribes deleted every single chain of narration (Asanid). Shia masters like Al-Hurr al-Amili explicitly point out it is chainless, making it useless for proving core theological creed
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