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@Danny_EFC6 @JDGEFC They're not the worst we have or the worst in the league which our strikers always get pointed at them from neutrals 😂, only one place neutrals are getting Everton opinions from and it's our (online) fanbase. can work the opposite way too, but in this case it is that
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@CharlieBarnicle @JDGEFC He got unfair stick but it’s not ‘solely’ the fans fault mate cmon
Fans didn’t choose to have Beto/Barry as the 2 strikers 😂
DCL asking to match the highest earner also not our fault haha
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@Stylo_____ Give me Leeds going as I can see Richy leaving anyway 😂, bring them both back
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@CharlieBarnicle Would you rather Spurs go and Richy comes back or Leeds go and DCL comes back 👀
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Calvert-Lewin returning in the summer
GIF
Zak@ZG1999_
Leeds 11/2 relegation was printing money, it’ll be them
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 People would argue that it's not, that we could do better, and that they don't want to give another big budget to someone who could be gone in a year.
You've said yourself you know it's not just the age, it's how long he himself has said he'll be here.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 As long as it’s working.
Claiming one of the reasons someone should be fired is because theyre 60+ doesnt sit right with me either, very strange attitude to have that (I know u have other reasons but still is wrong in any walk of life for me)
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 We've steadily gone along, they've been in crisis, yet if you flip the H2H result they'd be above us. I don't think that works.
We didn't start the season results wise that well either.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 No, the vocal minority haven’t been happy.
As just stated, theyve been in crisis, whilst we’ve been steadily going along. Only serious dip in results was around AFCON/KDH injury - before/since results have been on the whole more than fine 👍
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 They're opinions though, it's completely fair people disagree and seasons worth of results don't support you.
How long do you give a 60+ year old who's admitted himself this is shorter-term
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 Seeing as ur conflating my disagreeing with you with misunderstanding, I’ll break it down more easily for you:
The squad is shit, Moyes has done good, not perfect, job under circumstances and more than deserves more time and less nonsense from spreadsheet virgins.
Hope it helps
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 We're just 4 points above one of the teams we've both agreed have been in a crisis to some extent.
Palace are in the Europe fight, Brighton are. neither are happy, we haven't really been that.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 That’s exactly my point, all of these teams have been in crisis with squads as good if not better than us.
If only there was one team who’ve been steady all year, avoided such crises, and still well in the Europe fight so late in the season despite their own challenges
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 That's progress? the league got better from 17/18 to 18/19 too, he done multiple things for the longer-term that are many of the complaints with Moyes, the long-term side is a factor and the stages of their career are different. we were better performance wise too, which matters.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 So after a summer where we signed Zouma, Richarlison, Gomes, Mina and Bernard (4/5 of which were starting quality compared to 2 from this summer), we stayed in same position on 5 more points than a Koeman/Unsworth/Allardyce team, interesting.
Were u calling for Silva’s head?
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 You've just explained why the league has ended up in the position where we should be fighting. Forest and Spurs have been in crisis, Palace have been too with Glasner. Fulham don't. Brighton want their manager out, Bournemouth had huge squad overhaul.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 West Ham have at least 5 and are in a relegation scrap. Spurs have a lot more than us, Forest have similar, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford, Palace, Bournemouth would all argue they have better squads than us. Even those in Europe in have squads deep enough to balance it in theory
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 It's a completely viable shout whether you agree with it or not, as is keeping him.
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 If we get it, we should appeal to the Premier Legaue and tell them we don’t deserve it, because apparently some data & metrics say we shouldnt.
Just grow up honestly, all these Moyes out shouts show how immature and frankly stupid the vocal minority of our fanbase are
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 We finished 8th, on more points than we got in 17/18, under Silva in his first year.
It then just fell apart due to recruitment, luck, language, how he handles pressure. It was fine job overall though really.
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 What happened the last time we hired a hipster young coach to replace a “boring” manager who had us 8th in the table after a period of instability.
Oh yeah, Marco fucking Silva, one of the worst individuals we’ve ever had the misfortune of appointing - only above Benitez + Walker
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 and 6, with what this league is, along with a bunch who are mid table level is enough to get it and at least challenge.
That squad is decent, results have been fine for us to be there, but it's no unbelievable job. Performance wise it's been poor, and other concerns are there.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 Forgot about Garner, I’d put him in Europe level too tbf. But thats 6 players we have at Europe level.
One is a keeper
Two missed 7 games across December and January
One has started 5 matches all season
One will miss rest of season and will have started less than half our games
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 I'm not, I'm just predicting. That's because the league has remained tight, no ones got clicking, and we've had one of the easiest runs (considering how many of the Big 6 we have to play)
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 “Results will fall short” there’s only 7 games left - ur gagging for a fall off that, if it does come, will have to be the definition of last minute
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 Tarkowski's a solid mid table player, Grealish hasn't missed that so far, Garner's high mid table (and that's as someone who's harsher than most on him).
Obviously it can, especially when some other teams have dropped off for various reasons.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 Pickford, Ndiaye, Dewsbury-Hall all are I agree (2 of which missed a number of games in most dense part of season)
Branthwaite and Grealish both are too (both missed half the season each with injury)
Nobody else in that squad is anywhere near Europe level
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 Results will fall short if you aren't playing well.
That's 3 games, extend the sample size to January and yes it's limping, the whole league is really hence it being this tight.
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 Performance is subjective, but matters about 5% as much as results.
Limping, mad way to describe a run of three games including beating Newcastle away, Burnley at home and a very late defeat away to Arsenal, all of which we played well in.
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 The majority of them can be squad players in one that does, and are above relegation battling level.
We've then got the 5/6 other starters who are that.
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@CharlieBarnicle @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 I must have a season ticket at Goodison still then, coz which one of the players I listed there is good enough to be competing for Europe, coz I have yet to see any of them at that level ever
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 Because a lot of those players are higher than the level you're saying they are 😂, hence us being mid table on points since Dyche was appointed
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 We should be higher? O’Brien, Keane, Iroegbunam, Mykolenko, Barry, Beto, pensioner Gana and McNeil all playing decent/big roles in the squad whilst pushing for Europe, and theyre all currently relegation battle level - why tf would we be higher 😂🤡
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@HJJ92_ @FamousEFC_1878 @Danny_EFC6 Yep, scored basically the exact amount created while defensively overperfoming, while having the easier run up until now with a lot of the tougher ones to come.
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@CharlieBarnicle @FamousEFC_1878 @Danny_EFC6 Isn’t it our open play xG shows that we’ve been incredibly lucky in games and could be a lot worse off. We’ve barely played well in about 3 month
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@FamousEFC_1878 @HJJ92_ @Danny_EFC6 We only beat Villa away 2 years ago, lost to Bournemouth at home. Those 2 are just a bit irrelevant as stats.
Says a lot about the league not us, still as close as we are to 14th. results have been fine but it's fair to have complaints.
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@HJJ92_ @CharlieBarnicle @Danny_EFC6 Who gives a flying fuck about decisions he makes if we’re winning games 😂. When was last time we beat United, Villa, Bournemouth etc away from home? We’ve endured Dyche, Lampard, Benitez in last 4 years, and with a very finisher team Moyes has us 8th with 7 to play ffs
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