Kenton Young

@deseretCactus Times seemed more straightforward then. Probably because people were more straightforward. Not always. We did have Ted Bundy.

October, 1978

@Rog973521 @RykerJackson97 This was hung in the hallways of meetinghouses when I was a little kid. We've always had artwork about the crucifixion.

@RykerJackson97 That's suspicious. Why don't LDS churches have crosses on them? Are churches now going to display the cross on them??

A new statue is visible at Temple Square: “Jesus Christ Carrying the Cross” created by Michael Hall

@Rog973521 @RykerJackson97 This is one of many statues on the temple grounds. We never considered the cross to not be a part of our worship. Historically we've emphasized the life snd resurrection of the Savior, as well as the infinite nature of His atonement, which included His sufferings in Gethsemane.

@RykerJackson97 Of course. Which makes Christians wonder why the SLC Temple (under four or five years of renovation) suddenly emphasizes Jesus carrying his Cross. I drive by this Temple every Sunday (glad to see the scaffolding finally come down). Why a statue now?

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger And in what ways is that different than what I said?

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger ..nised matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the last and powers of nature, to organise matter into worlds, on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods”

Christians, How would you describe The Trinity PERIOD

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger And what did it change from?

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger Really. Did LDS doctrine and dogma change? Fixed-Jesus is Lord of lords and King of kings

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger Joseph Smith never called them abominations, just the same as John never said "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end." He wrote what he heard. And what am I twisting and denying?

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger You twist words while denying the teaching of Christianity of 2000 years. All in service of Smith's declaration that creeds are abominations.

@latterdaylaura @Mormonger I wonder if there's any way to have him back.

@Mormonger And I’m being 100% serious. He was raised a member. But from what I gather, his family maybe wasn’t really active. But he 100% has ties to the church

I can't prove it but Ryan Gosling is Mormon

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger We don't have our own domain, we live in the presence of the Father, and praise and serve and worship Him eternally. Our "domain" is being co-heirs with Christ, if we suffer with Him. Our "kingdom" is merely the kingdom of Heaven, where God is Lord of lords and King of kings.

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger You ignore that being like God that you will live as families eternally with your own domain. You abuse the concept of being like God.

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger They are united in purpose, but they are all divine, which is why those three are God. We just don't believe they are the exact same being. The Father is not the Son. But they do make for one God. We tend to shy away from the word, but we follow a "social trinity" model.

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger You are being dishonest sir. You reject everything important in the Trinity. You deceive intentionally. LDS theology teaches that they are three distinct divine personages who are united in purpose but not in essence.

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger We don't believe there are 3 Gods either. Only one God. And you could be honest, and actually quote me correctly. I never said humans have the potential to become god. But we call it gods, though you call it theosis. We just use the term Jesus and Paul used.

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger "potential to become god" Ah yes progression. Taught exactly no where in scripture. And there are not 3 Gods.

@edlars53 @P52765Peter @Mormonger Nobody can become God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are God regardless of time forwards or backwards. Us humans, on the other hand, have the potential to become gods (little g) who worship and serve God the Father. What that looks like in practice you call theosis.

@CoachK_8 @P52765Peter @Mormonger You wouldn't lie would you? So who can become God?

@P52765Peter @edlars53 @Mormonger We don't believe that the Father or Jesus were any less divine. We don't believe that any human can become God.

@CoachK_8 @edlars53 @Mormonger 2 respectful disagreements: 1. What you presented is not the entire doctrine of Christianity. It is central and essential, but not the entirety. 2. Jesus did not become "as man," He became a man--fully human, fully divine. This is a central tenet of the Incarnation.

@edlars53 @Mormonger @P52765Peter The entire doctrine of Christianity is that God became as man, and lived, and died for us si that we may become one with God and share in His glory. That's our understanding and belief as well, though you might disagree with the wording, and how we believe Jesus to be God.

@Mormonger @P52765Peter Mormonism is polytheistic, teaching that God the Father was once a man who became exalted to godhood and that humans can also become gods

@Grownded John goes out of his way to say that he got to the tomb first.

Accurate.

@DissentOrDie1 @DLCampanile @iamnyct0n01r That's what the Book of Mormon is, is a collection of different accounts, much like the Bible.

@CoachK_8 @DLCampanile @iamnyct0n01r You have first and second hand accounts of the events of the book or Mormon? No you don’t 🤣

Walked on water and rose from the dead but transcontinental travel is too out there

@DissentOrDie1 @DLCampanile @iamnyct0n01r For which we also have multiple first and third hand accounts to the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon, the plates, the way it was translated, the hand of God in bringing it about, etc.

@DLCampanile @CoachK_8 @iamnyct0n01r I thought we were talking about the BOM?

@DissentOrDie1 @iamnyct0n01r Yes, accounts recorded where? In what book? And the growth of the church and the apostles are part of tradition. If you want to argue like an atheist, you must realize that it is a sword that cuts your own flesh. I fully believe in the risen Lord, Jesus Christ.

@CoachK_8 @iamnyct0n01r We have multiple contemporary first and second hand accounts of seeing the risen Christ, as well as the martyrdom of the apostles (who dies for a lie?) and the growth of the church.

@DissentOrDie1 @iamnyct0n01r Now let's compare that to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, since you want to argue like an atheist. What "evidence" do we have? The Bible, and tradition. "But that tradition has been upheld for thousands of years." Yes, same as the "native myths."

@CoachK_8 @iamnyct0n01r “There is evidence: 1. Book of Mormon 2. Native myths” 😂😂😂😂😂

@GuyInco15542744 @OchoZaco And when we say "know it's true," it's basically the kind of thing where you have seen the light of the sum, and declare that it doesn't exist/isn't shining. I don't know if many members of the church, even lifelong members, qualify.

@OchoZaco You don’t qualify in the slightest for Outer Darkness unless you’re claiming here that you know it’s true and know your lying about it

I had knowledge and I left, so where am I going? Outer darkness. Say that again, I’m hard of hearing. Outer darkness. Oh damn, I guess I better stay.

@DissentOrDie1 @iamnyct0n01r There is evidence, it's called The Book of Mormon, and the countless accounts of a god appearing from heaven, blessing people, and saying he would return again found in native traditions. There is a "historical Jesus," too, but our "evidence" of our Lord is the Bible.

@iamnyct0n01r Mormons are so dishonest. No Christian doubts he could. There is no evidence that he did. Before you post about Nahom, I know…