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@Iranicdna They cant all suddenly be ones with high west iranian shifted ancestry, and also steppe ancestry out of coincidence

@Curiousity14386 Yeah but i think that bmac samples such as sappali 2 and dzharkutan 2 got their natufian admixture from mesopotamian immigrants Also there are caucasian like (dzharkutan 3) and ivc like (gonur 2) samples among bmac samples, so its not so strange

📊 Genetic breakdown of Antiquity Bactrian samples found in Surxondaryo Region, Uzbekistan "using qpAdm tool" 🧬 Autosomal - Sample size: 5 - Bronze Age: • 52.3% Oxus Civilization (BMAC) • 42% Andronovo culture (Indo-Iranic/Aryan) • 5.7% Deer stones culture

@Iranicdna proximal models doesnt really show them as to been mixed with mesopotamians though, rather west iranians but they might just be, as i've said, indo-aryan migrants mixed with west iranians, who trained horses for mittanis and went back and forth to central asia

@Iranicdna Seh Gabi chalcolithic should already be something like 8-10% natufian

@Iranicdna But natufian shift could already be found in pre-steppe locals, and the steppe outliers of Gonur and Dzarkhutan could already be modelled with just similar iranian admix so i guess nothing too crazy for central asia

@Iranicdna might also been an indo-aryan, whose ancestors moved into Mesopotamia under hurrian mittanis for horse training, and moved forth and back between central asia and mesopotamia might also been iranic with extra iranian farmer ancestry

@Iranicdna The person could easily be of Tazabagyab culture

@Iranicdna Not everyone is descended from yaz. Yaz itself is dated to start from 1500 BCE. Would still be neat to see a model of it. Hopefully with indian tribal over onge too

@Iranicdna You should try use the more western BMAC samples, such as Sumbar late bronze age and other western turkmenistan samples they have 0% IVC, unlike Gonur that's example like 2% AASI

📊 Genetic breakdown of Medieval Sogdian samples found in Arkhangai province, Mongolia "using qpAdm tool" 🧬 Autosomal - Sample size: 2 - Bronze Age: • 49.5% Oxus Civilization (BMAC) • 44.3% Andronovo culture (Indo-Iranic/Aryan) • 6.2% Deer stones culture

@Dave70785436396 @Iranicdna because the models are obviously wrong these are hgdp kurram pashtuns, which are super indian shifted. If not hgdp pashtuns, then im wrong on a recent study of pakistanis, they werent even closer to pashtuns from mostly Mardan, Swat, karachi, islamabd than to hindkos on fst

@Iranicdna The sample here is scoring 10% aasi but the closet group is a indian population which scores 20% aasi... Doesn't make any sense 🤔

Genetic breakdown of Pashtuns from Pakistan using qpAdm tool

@Iranicdna reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/reich.hm… Would be a treat The closest thing to qpadm i've seen of him, is on admixture There's BMAC_o2, but it includes 2 gonur steppe shifted samples too. He seemingly has some slight amount of AASI on admixture

@Curiousity14386 You mean that outlier sample with Q2b2 haplogroup? He was like 2/3 bmac + 1/3 steppe_mlba But sure i will make a model about him soon

@Iranicdna @Iranicdna Im mainly interested, because it appears to be an actual bactrian from uzbekistan around 1600 BCE with around 30% steppe iranic ancestry

@Iranicdna Hey, could you model a sample with admixtools 1 of sappali tepe culture, called I7493 ? But please use paniya, irula for aasi instead of onge

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@Saatvata @Akjarati I think east iranic languages have split ergativity alike pashto, unlike west iranic languages. Although apparently kurdish also have this The clitic behaviour in pamiri languages is akin to pashto too, like shughni pashto's oblique case is also rather iranic too?

@Akjarati Indo‑Aryan‑style split ergativity Indo‑Aryan‑like light‑verb constructions Indo‑Aryan‑like clitic behavior Indo‑Aryan‑like oblique case usage Indo‑Aryan lexical layers

Do you think Iranic languages like Balochi and Pashto fall under the South Asian Sprachbund? Please elaborate in the replies with what your opinion is and why you think so