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Daniel Ellis
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@PrimeGalleta @heyMAKWA As a white, can I just say: EXACTLY!
We need to have our power card revoked for like a good 200 years at the least, while we work on ourselves. IMO
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Y'all don't wanna her this but the reason Land Back is better than "equal resource management by all people." is because white people have proven they do not deserve a say in how resources are used.
Abuse and oppression will continue, at scale, if we let whites have a say.
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@rhymeswithbee in the canon the sheep are also giant. Odysseus and his boys grab onto their undersides to escape.
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Riddle me this: in the Odyssey, the Cyclops is raising sheep so he can make cheese. How does he milk their tiny teats with his ginormous hands?
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@UnderstanderArt The dog scene is even sadder in the original
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Apparently, Emily Wilson was mixed on The Odyssey partly because it’s too modern. This is exactly the twist the culture war needed:
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@copicpenaddict I guess we can cast euro actors as africans whenever we feel like then
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@LostHistory9 Memnon, king of Aethiopia, is literally mentioned in the Odyssey, you fucking tourist.
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Tell me, how many Sub-Saharan Africans lived in Greece in 1200 BC?
The answer is zero btw.
Brett (Madness Bid... Madness Delivered)@tweets4twits
Greece is closer to Africa than Dallas is to Austin, but illiterate C students who barely skimmed the Cliff Notes version of The Odyssey in HS, who wouldn't be able to point out Greece on a map, and who fundamentally don't understand the concept of artistic license, are triggered
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@CinemaPrincipia i thought that they were doing the "Athena based on real girl" but then they cut to the statue being desecrated and the real girl was a metaphor.
I'm just going to say i think Damon was the worst part of the film, he played every scene like he was on the lotus drugs.
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I see a lot of people being very hostile to the idea that Odysseus's memories of the journey home are all PTSD fabrications, but I think it's pretty clear Nolan intends for that to be the interpretation of his film.
1. The movie begins with a caption that says "in a time of apparent magic," which seems to mean, people believed in magic back then because they didn't understand science.
2. Calypso's role in the Odyssey is very different in the film, other than she forces him to stay for seven years. In the poem, the gods have to free Odysseus, but in the movie, he's drugged, and all the flashbacks are presented as subjective from this point in time. Calypso never displays any supernatural powers.
3. We never see anything supernatural or any gods that are not presented in flashback or as a person seen from Odysseus's subjective viewpoint. Athena is just hovering around, you never see a direct interaction between her and a mortal other than Odysseus briefly.
4. Most Nolan movies have a big "twist" that occurs late in the film, and when we see that flashback of Zendaya that is supposed to be it. People who say that Athena is real, but Odysseus connects her to that mortal woman are doing weird mental gymnastics. The only reason people think it's ambiguous is Nolan is almost never that subtle with his big twist, and this isn't particularly subtle. It's just normally in a Nolan film the entire rest of the movie is about the twist after it happens.
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@DangerLili97 I guess african and west asian roles can be played by white people then
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The way these racist fucking retards act you'd think Africa wasn't right fucking next to Greece wouldn't you
Scipion l'Ancien@africa_sci98920
Voici un poète Grec d'après Nolan dans son film "Odyssée" mdr !
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Who cares who TF portrays Helen. She was a selfish B****, abandoned her husband Menelaus and daughter to elope with Paris, sparking a war that killed thousands. Even in Troy, she lamented her choice yet stayed, enjoying luxury. In the Odyssey (the poem), she drugs guests to erase memories and crafts flattering tales of her “help,” zero accountability. Pure narcissism!
︎ ︎venom@venom1s
"The face that launched a thousand ships." People are saying, "Don't blame Lupita Nyong'o. The casting decision wasn't hers." But she chose to accept the role, right? Imagine if a white actor decided to play Michael Jackson, Barack Obama, or T'Challa. They're saying The Odyssey is fiction. So, Black Panther is a comic book. Can a white person play Black Panther? Helen is one of the most important characters in The Odyssey. Her beauty plays a huge role in the story. She was Greek. Casting a Black actress ruins everything. She's a good actress, and people may find her beautiful. But that's not what Helen of Troy was like. Woke Hollywood is destroying thousand-year-old history.
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@ComicsMeta They're wrong. But ive never seen a person say this before.
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Anytime somebody makes this point, which weirdly happens a lot, you can be 100% guaranteed they never read The Illiad. The gods are literally characters in the story with their own scenes and character arcs lmao
Comentador de copa 🇧🇷@icaroprazeres90
Muita gente odeia, mas uma coisa que eu amo em Tróia é que os deuses só existem na cabeça deles, de forma realista, como uma muleta pra justificar as merdas que eles fazem ou pra explicar algum fenômeno. Gosto que em a odisseia, apesar de mais fantástico, continuamos nessa toada.
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@lilmovieperp Bruh. Theres multiple occasions where the camera just turns to her and she gives the Zendaya-pout without saying anything
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watch the movie then tell us how you would have directed her considering the context....
BoxOfficeBrawler@BoxOfficebrawlr
Why does Hollywood always make Zendaya look so frumpy? Shes always stuck with that bitter indifferent attitude too.
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@Readerbell_ In ambo mythology the first man hatched from an egg. Guess he can be white.
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@Fly_Sistah According to Ambo Mythology the first ma was hatched from an egg. No reason he can't be white in a film adaption.
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My husband today after leaving the Odyssey movie: I bet racists are pissed about Lupita Nyong'o playing Helen of Troy.
My campaign to get him offline is officially complete. Now I get to explain people are okay with a beautiful woman hatched from a swan egg UNLESS she's Black.
Fly Sistah 🪷@Fly_Sistah
I'm certain that Lupita doesn't give a shit that a racist doesn't approve of her casting.
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@FormerlyCBM im sure you sincerely believe Theron counts as African representation.
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Charlize Theron is African
PC@ImPC_45
The right actors for the miscast characters in The Odyssey.
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@MaestroMorgan17 Matt Damon was the worst part of the movie. wan't expecting that.
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This is interesting because their complaint is that these actors aren’t white, but Page is. So why is he included in this post?
Fahhh@yowtfahhh
They're Greeks btw.
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@micheal_olainn These arguments are only used for European history.
Surely you would not dispute the Mycenaean period is greek history and not african history for obvious reasons.
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Helen of Troy
Helen of Troy was not Greek. She is a pure myth. Greece did not exist in the Mycenaean period.
Art and culture are not literal. They are works of creative imagination.
The Odyssey is not history. It is a literary creation.
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@SoMuchforMikey How convenient that there has never been a story where the protagonist being european was important.
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Race does matter in both these characters’ stories btw. Who’s goddamn white baby is that 😭
Whitewashing erases their cultures and experiences that come with being in their racial groups. It’s an important part of their characters, on top of the fact that this is ugly.
Raichu mice@KingRaichu25
@theKrabs_11 So Whitewashing is bad but Blackwashing is fine? You're just racist and hypocrite bitches.
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@Caol_MacCormaic Youre doing the work for them bro.
This isnt a statement on iron giants crushing the bronze age.
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@Ofcimcold it passes through dead sons to living grandsons and granddaughters.
They don't go into it in the Show but Rhaenys (and Matilda who she is based on) also had the advantage of being child of Jaes first son whereas Vis was son of the second.
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@JacobAShell Is 5K not enough to disincentivise a lot of people?
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Govt (yes, taxpayers) should be paying for most of this. The bill handed to people who get rescued should be an amount that disincentivizes dumb behavior (5K maybe for a rescue chopper?), not an amount that makes injured hikers think they shouldnt call for help.
American AF 🇺🇸@iAnonPatriot
Woman gets heat exhaustion only 2 miles into a hike at Yosemite and has to be AIRLIFTED out. The group she was hiking with may be responsible for the $70,000 helicopter bill. Insanity. lol
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People keep saying this.
If you want a racially diverse Mahabarata, go ahead and make it. I doubt it would do Nolan numbers, but you might get lucky.
Nobody is stopping you from doing a multiracial Shaka Zulu! (Yes, people would complain. Like they are now. That's life.)
Greg McCoy@TwistedMcGee
@HistoryBoomer I can’t wait for the first diverse cast movie about a non European story.
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