David L.
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"Games used to launch finished" is one of the biggest lies old gamers tell themselves.
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@MD_VanNostrand @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme I understand multithreading, You clearly don't understand the context of the conversation quoted in the original post. LLMs produce different software despite the same prompt, compilers produce the same software given the same source, a quirck in ONE compiler doesnt change that
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@DavidL97085273 @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme Brother. What are you saying.
This is like multithreading and race conditions 101. This isn't an anecdote. Do you even know what any of the words you're saying mean? It is not a bug. It is just something compilers have no reason to enforce. Determinism is not a compiler's goal.
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"Compilers are deterministic"
Lol nope!
(but I agree with your conclusion.)
Ben Dickson@bendee983
Compilers are deterministic. Give them the same code with the same compiler settings, and you'll always receive the same binary. You can take responsibility for your software at the code level. LLMs, on the other hand, are stochastic. Even if you set the temperature to zero, you're likely to get different responses on the same prompt. Therefore, you need to understand the code it produces if you want to take ownership and responsibility for it.
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@MD_VanNostrand @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme In that case, you both are trying to invalidating the argument that compilers are deterministic with an anecdote because you found an exceptional case, and in the context of the quoted argument this counter argument is ridiculous ( in fact i would consider this randomnes a bug)
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@DavidL97085273 @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme Huh? That's not what I said at all. Compilers generating code containing malloc has nothing to do with this.
My point is that compilers *themselves* are programs too, and they are multithreaded. THAT's the source of randomness.
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@MD_VanNostrand @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme You defended the argument that a compiler is not deterministic because it produces code that invokes a OS Api that behaves non deterministically, regardless of the invocaion code being the same no matter how many times you try to compile the same source
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@DavidL97085273 @kerckhove_ts @MrTeaThyme Please clarify this before saying I'm "profoundly wrong" though, it feels like you're not understanding what I'm saying
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Martin Van Nostrand@MD_VanNostrand
@DavidL97085273 @MrTeaThyme @kerckhove_ts What do you mean even mean with "alloc returns a different address than the compiler"? Symbols get a unique ID. There's a pool of IDs that the compiler pops from. Depending on the order it pops things, symbols might get different IDs. Threading makes this order indeterministic.
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@kerckhove_ts So compilers are deterministic, you just knew about a quirck in an exceptional case that does not imply non-deterministic runtime behavior, do you honestly belive this invalidates the quoted argument?
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@DavidL97085273 Just one example: GHC generates unique names for identifiers from a global pool of identifiers that is accessed from multiple threads, so depending on which compiler thread is scheduled first, the resulting binary looks different.
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@kerckhove_ts @MD_VanNostrand @MrTeaThyme Read Martin’s argument, my answer was for him, he is profoundly wrong
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@MD_VanNostrand @MrTeaThyme @kerckhove_ts This is like saying the alloc function returns a different address then the “compiler???” Is not considered deterministic
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@MrTeaThyme @kerckhove_ts @DavidL97085273 Threading *is* a source of randomness, because it is the OS who chooses how fast each thread advances and thus which thread gets to pick which identifier name first. It is something the compiler does not have control over (unless it actively fights it using queues and mutexes).
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@sec_hub93028 Maybe an invisible login form may trick a password manager into autofilling credentials, and a deceptive button could be used to submit
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What is the maximum damage an attacker can cause with HTML injection?
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@iycrtylph Probably you are asking about generative IA specifically, but just in case, google maps uses path finding, digital cameras auto focus on face thanks to face recognition and there is a large etc.
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what has AI actually accomplished? what has it actually contributed to life? if i walk down the street, will I see anything new & good there thanks to AI? has it invented anything real and material? any indispensable new good? has it improved anyone's quality of life?
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@DanielLoganPDX @verge They are only have headlines that could be interpreted as negative.
You can’t be this stupid. Don’t make me use your own politics against you.
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Elon Musk confirms xAI used OpenAI’s models to train Grok theverge.com/ai-artificial-…
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@BrentMcNeme @engineers_feed It’s a play on words, the emptyness (nothing) of the space is dangerous
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Technically a space suit protects an astronaut from nothing.
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What is a job that you think is 100% safe from AI for the next 50 years, and why?
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Explain the difference between:
GET /products/99
GET /products?id=99
Same result. Different meaning
Why does the distinction matter?
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@e_libertas @BellaBaddie__ People asking questions in public forums is the reason you can find answers with google
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@BellaBaddie__ I still don't get why people use social media as if it's google.
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@MongrainBrenden @YammerTime01 "he wouldn't offer it if he couldn't pay it", That's quite innocent from your part
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@YammerTime01 You’re an idiot he wouldn’t offer it if he couldn’t pay it just goes to show you have no idea what you’re talking about and will always criticize Elon no matter what because you don’t understand
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Cost is approximately $200 million per month. He is not liquid enough to cover that.
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@milesmoralesUwU @SrWaifus Las empresas de IA cobran por token. Hoy el precio al usuario está probablemente subsidiado por inversionistas y por debajo del costo real. Muchos creen que no es sostenible y que eventualmente subirán precios para cubrir costos y generar utilidad.
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no dejen de aprender, ya se acaba el subsidio de tokens
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@javarevisited TCP detects packet loss, that's it, nothing garantees delivery.
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Interviewer:
If TCP guarantees delivery,
why do we still
lose packets?
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True or False:
A Reverse Proxy and a Load Balancer are the same thing.
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