Dillon Moran

@Optilous @osasisHERESY What happens to who? The Jewish people of Paul's lifetime?

It becomes an issue when we assume this 'fullness' of the Gentiles (Nations) is a number they reach some time way off in the future. You say - "Paul is referring to the same group being both enemies of the gospel and beloved by God regarding election, on account of their fathers." Paul goes on to say the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable (you say - to this same group) Ok, then what happened to them in 70 A.D?

So many zionist Christians think Romans 11:28 is talking about all of Israel and the Jewish people as a whole and they apply this part of the verse to them "but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes" That's not what this verse is saying It's breaking it down into unbelieving jews who oppose the gospel (As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes) and the remnant of jews who believed in the gospel at the time Paul wrote Romans (but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes) The "they are beloved for the fathers sakes" in this verse is talking about the remnant who believed then and not a future mass conversion of all jews in the future that is wrongly taught by zionists and dispensationalists The second half of verse 28 is talking about the remnant who believed in Christ at that present time Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace When you read all of Romans 11 and whats being taught all throughout the new testament that God's people are those in Christ and are not those who reject Him then you won't pull verses out of context like Romans 11:28 or any other verse in Romans 11 for that matter

@Optilous @osasisHERESY I am not a dispensationalist...and I have no idea what your argument is. The phrase "full number" has nothing to do with any argument I am making. Not sure why you're so focused on it.

@DillonMora76253 @osasisHERESY Rom 11:12  and if their fall is the riches of the world, and their diminishment the riches of nations, how much more their fullness?  Same word, earlier in the same chapter. It doesn't mean 'full number' here or anywhere else in the N.T. I would argue a Dispensational bias.

@Optilous @osasisHERESY πλήρωμα just means fullness or something that has been filled up, commonly used to describe a full ship. "Full number of the gentiles" or "fullness of the gentiles" either one works for me.

@DillonMora76253 @osasisHERESY plērōma in v25 is never translated as 'full number' anywhere else in scripture. Does that mean the foundation your argument is built on is skew?

@ProLife_Gigi @hdpayens Jesus is the bread of life, mana, he is the word of God, the tablets, and he is our high priest, Aaron's staff...and Jesus is the sacrificial lamb whose blood was sprinkled on the ark in th holy of holies. Jesus is the ark, Mary is a levite who carries the ark.

@DillonMora76253 @hdpayens The Baby in the womb is not merely the Ark but the Covenant (Word) Himself. So Mary is the Ark carrying the Word.

The Ark of the Covenant vanishes from Scripture after 2 Kings. No explanation. No recovery. Just silence. Then John writes Revelation 11:19. The Temple in heaven opens, and the Ark appears. The very next verse, without chapter break (those were added centuries later), describes a woman clothed with the sun, bearing a male child who will rule the nations with a rod of iron. This is not coincidence. This is typology operating at full force. Go back to 2 Samuel 6. David leaps before the Ark. He cries out, "How can the ark of the Lord come to me?" (2 Sam 6:9). The Ark remains at the house of Obed-edom for three months. Now read Luke 1. The infant John leaps in Elizabeth's womb. Elizabeth cries out, "Why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Lk 1:43). Mary remains in the hill country of Judah for three months. Luke, a careful literary craftsman, is not stumbling into these parallels. He is constructing them deliberately. The old Ark carried three things. The stone tablets of the Law. The manna from heaven. Aaron's priestly rod. Mary carried the Lawgiver Himself. The true Bread from heaven (Jn 6:51). The eternal High Priest (Heb 4:14). The container is always sanctified by what it bears. The old Ark was overlaid with pure gold and could not be touched by unworthy hands. Uzzah died reaching for it (2 Sam 6:7). If God demanded such holiness for a wooden chest carrying stone tablets, what holiness would He prepare for the woman carrying God Incarnate? This is not Marian excess. This is scriptural logic followed to its conclusion. Which Protestant commentary adequately explains why Luke mirrors 2 Samuel 6 so precisely, if Mary holds no unique theological significance?

@charlie0824 @JosephJS777 @hdpayens So there is nowhere in the NT that says Mary was of Judah, but there is a passage in Luke of a Mary traveling to her close relative to stay with her while she was pregnant...and that relative is not just a levite, but a daughter of Aaron. Hmmm, I wonder what Luke is implying

@DillonMora76253 @JosephJS777 @hdpayens The Protoevangelium of James names St. Joachim, of the house of Judah as Mary's father. This was widely accepted by the early church.

@JosephJS777 @hdpayens According to who?

@DillonMora76253 @hdpayens Mary was from the tribe of Judah

@abi4560 Um...no

So do you really believe Jesus died so you can break your Creator's commands??

@byroncarroll There is always a first and then a second hatvest

@Little_Ms_Nope אֲדֹנָי יְשׁוּעָתִי

Devarim 6:13 (beautiful number)

@dalepartridge We are....voting for people we want in office...because, you know, elections.

We are the United States of Israel. Sigh.

@EvangelicalDW I mean, if you deny that Jesus and the Father are one, if you deny that the cross is the Glory of God that Jesus had with the Father since before the foundation of the world, if you deny that Jesus has all the authority, power, and Glory of Hashem...then no.

This is where Judiazing, Messianic Judaism leads to, by the way.

@TheExBeliever Um...are you malicious, dishonest, or dumb. How many times in the book of Acts does it talk about Jewish people coming to the faith! What's does Romans 11 say about the unbelieving Jewish people? Who are the 24 elders in the book of revelations?

So why does the greek testament hate them so much that all the stories in it seem to have an agenda to spread more and more hatred towards them?

@osasisHERESY Hmmm...the meek shall inherit the what? The lake house? The camels and grandmas china? Oh wait, the meek shall inherit the land. The Greek word commonly translated "earth" is γῆ, and it is the word the Septuagint uses for (אֶרֶץ) in the OT land promises, as in אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל

There are a total number of 0 verses in the new testament that states that the land of Canaan (Israel today) is promised to the Jewish people Does that mean I want the jews to be cast out of Israel? Of course not I don't really care Don't be silly I'm merely pointing out the fact that the doctrine zionists hold so dearly to their hearts is not reiterated in the new testament and there's a reason for that The new testament has plenty of verses where the Bible makes it clear that these promises are now fulfilled in Christ with different meanings Zionists will say people who believe what the Bible teaches overspiritualize the new testament but the new testament consistently teaches that the promises are now spiritual in Christ like many other principles based on the Spirit The new testament is all about the Holy Spirit that God has given us That's the only way for a follower of Christ to live is by the power of the Holy Spirit Zionists today teach zionism like its some huge important doctrine for Christians and it's actually not It's not taught anywhere in the new testament

@abi4560 I wonder what David's baby boy died for, the one born to the wife of Uriah.

No man can die for the sins of another Deuteronomy 24:16 Ezekiel 18:1-30 Psalm 49:7 Jeremiah 31:30

@dalepartridge So like everything? Like, keep them womens's outta school and have them learn themselves up the maths at home? Or is it just theology they should learn at home? What about the single ladies, are they destined to just remain ignant? Wait, what about Sunday school, is that kosher?

Seminaries have been limited to male clergy for 500 years. Reformed Seminary has no spine. They exploit feminism for financial gain. “If women desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home.” - 1 Cor. 14:34-35

@dalepartridge You posted that one liner yourself, without context or background. Your statement was that most women cannot think...not "women, in general, are more vulnerable to having compassion and empathy weaponized against them which can lead to a lack of sound judgement "

I had all the “nuance Christians” come after me for this comment. James White, Samuel Sey, Owen Strachan, and even Gabe Rench among others. Most of them screenshotted it as if it’s a stand alone post. It’s not, it was a comment to another post. Kristen Hawkins made an unthinking statement. Seth Gruber claimed how mindless and foolish it was. I simply commented on his post in agreement. Kristen said: “The death penalty is inconsistent with a prolife worldview.” This is not clear thinking. Not only that it’s unbiblical and out of step with all of church history. Killing murderers is a way to protect life. In fact, God commands it. Genesis 9:6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.” Kristen leads a large organization and a large prolife movement. She should know this. My statement is that she should not lead because she clearly cannot think. My application to “women” was more broad because it’s not just Kristen. We see this with female judges, politicians, university professors, CEOs, lawyers, and more. Our nation is overrun with women leaders *most* of which cannot think clearly. They cannot think in these types of matters because women are designed to think more emotionally and with greater empathy. However, misplaced compassion often causes them to apply mercy where justice ought to be executed. This is exactly what Kristen did. So, to take this out of its original context and claim I am saying that “all women cannot think” demonstrates my point. I said *most women” cannot think. This includes women of both sexes. The fact that these men did not deploy basic public square hermeneutics to grasp my rhetoric is telling. Instead, they immediately ran to the most uncharitable interpretation. Why? We know why.

@CadieuxJanet @osasisHERESY Paul affirms that the old and new covenants and the adoption as sons belongs to Israel, even unbelieving Israel...because "...as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable.

@CadieuxJanet @osasisHERESY Jeremiah wrote Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, (a new covenant with who? Israel and Judah)...

@CadieuxJanet @osasisHERESY ...For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jeremiah 31:31, 33