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@GalacticMj I said this could be the case not that it is, gas could still be a normal warrior but just trained like hell. The only fact here is that DBS bardock's base before evolution was already above the low class. And after evolving it surpassed saiyan limits (stated by gas and DB site)

@Dragon_Beast7 That’s alot of headcanon, especially when there’s a 40 year gap

When does Goku surpass Bardock?

@GalacticMj Abo and cado have 2 stated power levels, in the present they were compared to namek frieza level, but they were also stated by vegeta as ginyu force level during the past. So gas in the past could easily be born a mutant just like the elite soldiers that worked for frieza.

@GalacticMj Gas was aware os saiyan class levels define by frieza's army, he also talks about being a limit that saiyans can't surpass. And there's not only the gas statement there's toyotaro comparing gas (before wish) to abo and cado++

@GalacticMj And before namek, the narrator himself said this actually happened. Bc he said that only during the training that goku actually surpassed the limitations of saiyan capabilities, this limit is about any base saiyan being at least frieza mutant soldier level or above.

@GalacticMj That's why they didn't care about vegeta evolving from 18k to 30k in base. This is still under frieza's army speculations about the saiyan limits. But when goku easily defeated recoome, jeice and burter, vegeta stated he surpassed saiyan limits and ginyu called goku a mutant++

@GalacticMj Gas already told that badock wasn't low class saiyan level after he took the 1st punch. And with 0 forms he already said the attacks of a beyond low class saiyan were like neddles trying to pierce katchin metal. Then gas transforms 2X and bardock evolves to beat him w/o oozaru

@GalacticMj Gas literally knew about every saiyan ranking and still said no saiyan could surpass him without using an oozaru form. Vegeta and king vegeta ain't doing shit to gas without their oozaru++

@GalacticMj There's tons of statements saying that bardock surpassed his saiyan limits, which was stated in Z by the narrator, vegeta and ginyu only when a base saiyan (goku) could defeat frieza's mutant soldiers. Even base vegeta after 30K of PL was still in the limits of saiyans.

@GalacticMj If we talk about Z ssj 1 bardock then it changes to post namek training goku. And if it is about bardock after he defeated gas, his base state adapted to be above ginyu soldier level, this bardock in oozaru would be close to Z ssj bardock++

@dlroWdetrevnIyM @Tilted_FN The proof was already told 3 times. If you don't like, then go send a letter to V-Jump or go into their comments in their youtube channel saying you don't agree with the manga trailer they made saying goku vs gohan was the strongest manga fight atm lmao

@Dragon_Beast7 @Tilted_FN But you have no proof. Moro wasn’t God of destruction level. He fought the Dai Kaioshin. There hasn’t been a God of destruction level threat bar Jiren

All you need is Frieza. Gas might even be able to sweep them ngl.

@dlroWdetrevnIyM @Tilted_FN They can surpass that zeno expo god fight from 5 arcs ago, a literal manga trailer implied stronger fights happened later. But they still don't surpass the gods atm bc gods can evolve way beyond their older levels, Toyotaro is the one saying gods can use UE 24/7, so deal with it

@Dragon_Beast7 @Tilted_FN There’s zero proof of Goku and Gohan surpassing the Gods. Jiren also stated he has no limits

@dlroWdetrevnIyM @Tilted_FN And it's funny asf you don't consider a V-Jump statement about goku and gohan fight being the current strongest. But it was also V-Jump who made the statement about black frieza being closer to a god than goku and vegeta. So even V-Jump puts current beerus above goku vs gohan.

@Dragon_Beast7 @Tilted_FN That’s not a statement by Toriyama or Toyotaro lmfao???? Beerus has fought against Gods of destruction and you think those 2 bums compare?

@dlroWdetrevnIyM @Tilted_FN The difference between vegeta and beerus in using ultra ego, is that vegeta needs damage to stimulate his mindset into destruction to evolve. Beerus is ALWAYS with that mindset, so gohan vs goku can surpass the zeno expo, current beerus'll still be above his previous level.

@dlroWdetrevnIyM @Tilted_FN Beerus even said to vegeta that his power has no limit due always thinking on destruction, so it doesn't even matter if they surprassed the gods fight from the zeno expo or some X momentin time, the gods can still evolve further bc their technique (UE) works that way++

@Reece_ZX3 This is the first scene ever showing that in DB simply having much stronger energy already makes both body and mind cancel out these specific abilities. General blue's power not only paralyzes but also weakens his targets, but this didn't do anything to Tao.

@Reece_ZX3 In the anime, general blue uses his eye paralysis on tao, but then tao just moves easily and asks "what was that?", then he kills him with his tongue lol. youtu.be/VFbvfxfl_cI?si…

did he just kill a guy with his tongue this mangas bizzare

@Tilted_FN It ain't contradicting anything, it would contradict if they stated in a guide that frieza used his full power to fight and in other guide stated goku vs gohan is the strongest fight. And then the manga and toyotaro said that frieza is still above them.

@Dragon_Beast7 Statements that aren't from the manga are secondary at best btw. And it's contradicting to the main story. We simply haven't seen enough. Nor does Goku even have an answer to the power Frieza displayed. Also Beerus and Whis just said UI is his most powerful form. All it is