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@jamex04323193 I didn’t say summon. Both stands generate heat. You’re acting like they take fire or heat from somewhere. TW and SP are being called the strongest with these characters abilities in mind. In fact you know Jolyne can’t use SP? It rejects her.

@Drip_Expansion again, one produces heat the other one can make and control fire, different, and just bc someone summons something powerfull doesnt mean they scale to it, in ur example that person MAKES the storm but here u dont need to be strong to summon ur stand but just have a strong will

Jotaro breathing in Fog is substantial evidence he fairly competes with Yuta.

@jamex04323193 Both generate heat. When person A generates a storm to make lightning, you understand we can still scale the storm, right? The sun doesn’t need to send out concentrated attacks, plus who’s to say those rays aren’t doing that? You aren’t proving it’s just a hax

@Drip_Expansion one thing it would be that they destroyed the stand itself, since that would have granted them that lvl of energy, just like how someone needs to be star lvl to destroy a star, but they didnt and only won bc the user was weak

@jamex04323193 Heating up the desert requires energy, which is all coming from the stand. He’s stopping all of time so he can move, 2 completely different hax. How tf are HG/MR exceptions when 1 does the same thing the sun does? 😭 produce HEAT. One use it a different way than the other.

@Drip_Expansion hg and mr are an exception bc those abilities arent hax, just like star platinum's ability to stretch his fingers or suck rlly hard, meanwhile the sun a stand who cant directly punch you but can only heat up a large area and at most shoot a few lasers can't be scaled like that

@jamex04323193 Gasoline was in his body. This still doesnt prove your point, yes if the side effect of heating up the desert grants him this AP then characters can scale above it. Dio is talking about versatility, it’s not helping you. HG and MR are clear examples, why is the sun an exception?

@Drip_Expansion funny how u forgot what jotaro did to not get burned badly and how he didnt tank it, and that the sun was going to exhaust them to death proves my point on how he isnt made for a real fight, being weaker in that sense even tho it can output a ton of energy to light up he desert

@jamex04323193 He can still sweat to death, what examples? WOF pierced their bodies and set his insides on fire, funny cuz Jotaro has 0 burns on him after, bro tanked it. Who says the sun can’t do that? He was gonna exhaust them to death or shoot rays at them (didn’t even work on polnereff.)

@Drip_Expansion like other abilities, while the sun has a passive ability with the energy of destroying a town it doesnt mean that it goes into his a.p since the energy is also spread through a massive area, just like difference between a carpet bombing and a nuclear misile

@jamex04323193 Stands can be physically stronger than one’s ability, seen with the emerald splash yet it can’t punch that hard. SP and even Dio can deflect such ability, this literally applies to many stands. So yes SP can punch harder then MR fire.

@Drip_Expansion and u can't scale an ability to the stats like u have been doing, it's like scaling magician's red's fire to know how much he can punch IT DOESNT TRANSLATE LIKE THAT

@jamex04323193 That’s not what he’s says. In the scan Dio explains how you use your stand, in general, not 1v1s. Stats + Ability is what makes it the strongest but before Time Stop SP is still called the strongest. They’ve only dealt with assassins no one has 1v1’d Jotaro.

@Drip_Expansion and again, the way dio thinks is strength and weakness cant be applied to a stand UNLESS it's in something like a one on one fight, something like what we r discussing about, and his stand would be the stronger than the sun bc the sun isnt made for direct 1v1 combat

@jamex04323193 I offered you a equal interpretation to your argument, now unless you can prove it’s only ability then your point doesn’t go through. We have statements upon statements, calling Jotaro and Dio the strongest. No mention of the suns power. The narrative doesn’t acknowledge him

@Drip_Expansion those calcs for the sun can't be fucking applied to other stands, each of them has a different ability and different ways to measure how strong they are, only SOME stands like crazy diamond, star platinum and the world can be mesured in a similar way BC THEY ARE SIMILAR STANDS

@jamex04323193 Dio knows his minions, why’d would he make a claim and lie? Him and Jotaro have consistent statements while the sun stand has 0. He sucks and he’s alive too, N’dual calls him the strongest despite knowing the sun stand. Jotaro hid because he has no heat resistance

@Drip_Expansion like your whole argument is "oh the world is stronger than the sun sl it's town lvl" even tho jotaro had to hide and just target the user instead, the same jotaro who is stronger than dio

@jamex04323193 The world *Pause* is the most powerful stand *Pause* The world’s speed and power are far superior to star platinum, regardless of being able to stop time. He has the strongest ability (So far) and the strongest stand (so far) in fact both are true.

@Drip_Expansion dio is literally saying how the world is superior to star platinum even without the time stop idk how u read that shit like that, and kakyoin calls it like that because of what happend before, he said it out of fear of it's unknown ability and how powerfull that ability is

@jamex04323193 Again. It’s a close ranged stand, lacks 0 fighting capabilities. Wrong again. Dio explicitly removes his ability out of the equation and calls it the strongest. Kakyoin calls it the most powerful despite not knowing he can stop time say this after fighting the sun stand.

@Drip_Expansion survivor has a range E making it a close range stand, and in part 4 it's stated that like that bc non of the stands in morioh could match star platinum, and when dio claims to be the strongest is bc of his ability, and to put it simply in a 1v1 he would have always won

@jamex04323193 I addressed what you said. Survivor is not a close ranged stand, in fact it’s an automatic stand. It’s Part 4. This is ad nauseam. N’dual claims SP is the strongest, Dio claims to be the strongest even knowing his henchman stands. Address what I said.

@Drip_Expansion my guy u are contradicting yourself, remember u said "A close ranged stand is a power type stand" also dont dodge what i said, from where did u got that scan? since it says 1-2 seconds of time stop it can be from part 4 or part 6

@jamex04323193 Survivor is not a power-type stand, also no the statement does not pertain to the part it’s in. Even Dio calls The world the strongest knowing all of his minions stands.

@Drip_Expansion from where is that scan? also closed ranged stands can be more than just "power type stands" look at survivor who has a range stat of E yet it's not that, also is that from part 4? bc those statements refer to stands in the part they appear

@jamex04323193 A close ranged stand is a power type stand. I don’t think I need to explain anymore this scan dismantles your entire argument for it being the ability to stop time.

@Drip_Expansion "power type stand" brother from where th did u pulled out that from? i've never heard of that

@jamex04323193 They’ve never faced a power type stand. Hence the stand

@jamex04323193 Yes exactly. The world is a power-type stand which punches do you know who else has the same type?

@jamex04323193 literally randoms can analyze stand abilities too and they’re not called the strongest. Literally says it’s like a bulldozer being behind you and he calls it POWERFUL, prove he was talking about ability.

@Drip_Expansion analizing small details can ensure a victory by helping deduce how the ability of a stand works, do u even fucking read how the fights go? and sensing how powerfull dio was a statement to let us know dio's stand ability was some crazy bs that was unlike any of the other we saw

@jamex04323193 How the fuck is analyzing small details make it the strongest? Kakyoin literally describes strength here. He’s not describing Dio picking his nose.

@Drip_Expansion lile atp u are even downplaying how great star platinum is at many other things just to fit ur idea of "star platinum strongest bc he is rlly strong" and not bc of how much versatility it has and that's one of the stands you'd want to have in 90% of scenarios

@jamex04323193 That’s Dio’s AP that hurt Jotaro. Star platinum does nothing but punch and stop time how tf is it one of the most complete stands? You’d have to jump through hoops thinking this way.

@Drip_Expansion yet something that would have killed jotaro has only the ap of city block something that's 3 tiers below town lvl, how the "strongest" isnt just bc of pure raw strength but being one of the most complete and usefull stands for any situation