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@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT I'd rather not have them be forced or compelled to make a statement If it gets released without their consent. In any case, I'm of the opinion the higher level accusations are more pertinent. The other stuff is like, well poisoning to the actual issue at hand.

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT (2/2) Apparently there are more victims of zeal too which is even more concerning, they claim on making a new document with their own experience with hin

1.3k likes for a document full of victim blaming and lack of education on trauma responses

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT I personally think both are unreliable narrators to their own stories. A lot of it is reframing, and at this juncture i'm only somewhat familar with Zeal's response and I need to revisit it some more. A grand majority of my criticism comes from Ren's provided information.

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Also im very inclined to believe ren over zeal because of the bruises and how zeal's response contradicts his own leaked messages

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT If that's the issue, then I greatly understand the lack of a police report which was my biggest criticism.

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Yea i js feel like they shouldve taken it to court, she says she doesnt have the resources to do so and since im not from the us, i cant confirm that On my country there are lawyers that do stuff for free, js takes alot longer to go through with it

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT (3/2, sorry I'm not familiar with these threads.) With that said, I am not in either camp. My issue is that the document is phrased with psychological jargon and story telling rather than an effectual explanation of the events. If you do that, I have to doubt it. Sorry.

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Can you keep the conversation linear? (All in one thread)

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT (2/2) In light of that, and the fact that much of the explanations provided are hearsay, being dictated to a public audience under assumption rather than fact based discussion indicates that the document has an issue with interpretation, and that's what I find the most at issue.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT (1/2) I'll just finish what I was saying before. The issue I have with this is also the psychological jargon saying "This is what trauma bonding is." You're telling the reader what something is, instead of presenting evidence. The person in question is not a psychologist.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT I'm not well versed on how Twitter so I'm more so replying to comments as I see it. Sorry.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT And besides the set dressing, this isn't a discussion on the "greater whole of adult conversations", its a matter of the fact that these two were incapable of having one. Period.

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT (1/2) There are people who have it worse when it comes to adult conversations or how to actually behave like one, also the messages never had a written consent or anything implying it, but thats not even what we are supposed to be debating here

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Talking about the aftermath of a sexual encounter in a positive matter is an indication of implied consent. I don't know where you have the gumption to indicate otherwise.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT As a matter of fact, a majority of people won't really catch on the fact that actually, this is fucking embarrassing and that these two should log off permanently online because they are incapable of having any adult conversations despite their ages.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Clearly discussing it , and there's no evidence besides hearsay and psychological jargon that indicates beyond reasonable doubt to the lack of consent.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT I'm sorry if you feel that this is totally dismissive but if you're writing this like i'm reading a novel instead of an actual account, I have every right to criticize how the story is told, and whether or not details could've been exaggerated as a possibility.

@lunaticlypse @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT I mean, firstly - the majority community response either had to debate whether or not it was "rape" or "sexual assault." Do you not find this to be intrinsically culpable to problems in online discourse if the allegations of the person you're targeting is inconsistent?

@DunkusStunkus @ZototheO @Parsar03 @SharkyLeo_YT Mind showing us what did you see there that made you think she gave an explicit "yes" for it to be consentual?

@ZototheO @Parsar03 @lunaticlypse @SharkyLeo_YT Except... consent was present, its in Ren's own DMs.

@Parsar03 @lunaticlypse @SharkyLeo_YT In context it wasn't consensual in the first place that's the point of why everyone is dogging on that line bc that's literally not what happened

@OFrograt @SharkyLeo_YT The counterargument towards Ren's BPD is literally this. This door was opened to the possibility of mental facilities being at fault and now people are upset its being used? God, I hate all of you. You're all losers.

@SharkyLeo_YT I stopped reading when it said "My Autism" You cannot POSSIBLY blame sexual assault on autism

God, this dude sucks.

I don't think you have the right to talk about consent Tectone. Remember that civil case you lost involving SA and stalking?

Atleast have the capacity to block the account, you coward. LMAO.

@ril3yxoxo @fumitokihime "So, its not rape, he actually sexually assaulted. Actually, if they didn't, then he did other bad stuff so he's still bad." This whole fucking drama bro is this bro, fuck off.

@fumitokihime NO REAL AAAAND even if zeal didn't sa anyone he's still a horrible person

He has other victims, and you still want to support Zeal? Are we genuinely fucking serious? I hope by the time Zeal once and for all is punished you feel the guilt of all the survivors you’ve denied your support to.

Creating a document that appears to be designed for financial ruination nullifies your victim status for lesser issues. If you’re loading up with therapy speak, misleading age gap statements and claims like “dangerously predatory”, people won’t care if you were led on.