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I'll break down the full history: WHFB = Warhammer Fantasy Battles, the original Warhammer fantasy tabletop game. Currently represented via the Total War: Warhammer game series. AOS = Age of Sigmar, the current "main" fantasy game that replaced WHFB. It's a weird sequel via total universe collapse/reconstruction. TOW - The Old World, the current OG WHFB tabletop game, a kind of prequel to the general events of WHFB. Warhammer Fantasy Battles was doing poorly due to rules bloat, army size bloat, and poor model/rules support. Rather than fix the game, Games Workshop completely retconned the ending of a player driven campaign called Storm of Chaos and created the End Times. This ended in Chaos destroying the world and Sigmar (mankind's God) rebuilding it. The Age of Sigmar setting was born. Age of Sigmar had no lore. That was the intended design. No lore, no story, nothing. It was designed to be "cool fantasy models" with nothing but the most basic story treatment to justify it. Also they killed Slaanesh off screen. It flopped horribly. WHFB fans hated it because their game died needlessly to prop it up with GW boasting about AOS sales vs WHFB sales. Which was based on the fact WHFB was discontinued. So if course AOS would sell better that year than a game that didn't exist anymore. New players never showed up because it was lame. Turns out you need a setting and lore to actually justify why all your models are fighting. Also the rules were absolutely juvenile. There was a rule for one character that said the player with the biggest beard auto-wins. I'm not kidding. AOS was sent back to the drawing board and it's 2nd edition came with an actual setting and lore. A lame setting and lore that feels like a dark and edgy Korean mobile MMO with similar model designs, but lore none the less. Also Slaanesh is no longer dead, just in cosmic horny jail and slowly breaking free. AOS is not a good game. Not even close. The lore is bad but the game is worse. It's limped along for four editions now. It's looking like their 5th edition will be another big setting reboot in a desperate bid to save it. Total War: Warhammer came out not long after AOS first released. Just one year later. It's made more money than AOS did and is unironically made the Warhammer Fantasy Battles setting more well known. GW kind of shit their pants because they realized how bad they fucked up nuking WHFB for AOS. So they rereleased it, old minis and all, in 2024 as Warhammer: The Old World. A prequel to the original WHFB. The Old World is objectively the better, more popular game. There's huge animosity between the three. WHFB players resent AOS for being an unwanted, cash grab replacement for their game which GW never really put any effort into. AOS fans are bitter because AOS never caught on like 40k, perpetually in last place even compared to specialist games, and hate that WHFB is once again getting more love via TOW. TOW players are mostly WHFB oldheads and new players coming from Total War who don't give a fuck about AOS. This leads to AOS players being bitter, spiteful, and jealous of 40k and WHFB/TOW. They try to force what 40k and WHFB/TOW have built organically in terms of player appreciation.

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