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Ah yes because nothing can ever get better. Things are messed up right now so let’s just sack humanity in and go extinct. Thank god our ancestors had more backbone than you otherwise we’d have been finished long ago. Imagine during the Nazi years or genocidal empires before it if people had just gone ‘this is shit let’s give up and die’. What a pathetic self justification. Just admit you would rather go on holiday than put in the effort to raise a kid and be done with it, not this load of rubbish about the world being a bit tough so let’s go extinct, out of what? Selflessness? 😂 yeah right.

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Why on earth would anyone willingly bring a new life into a world filled with such corruption? Just because you want humanity to continue long after you’ve kicked it? That seems selfish to me.

My friends in their 30s are deciding not to have kids They’re saying two things: They don’t have the money It’s inconvenient to their lifestyle This is not good. What do we do?

@ZackPolanski Where are you getting ‘deregulation’ from? We are possibly the most regulated nation on earth

I said "And this sustained project of privatisation and deregulation turned Britain from a place which made things people need to a place which made money for people who owned things." And the City said:

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Who’s shaming others? Do what you want, if you want to be selfish crack on, from this discussion frankly it’d be doing the world a favour, but I am allowed to call you selfish for it :)

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Why are you upset when I shame others for their choices that don’t affect me in any way?

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Yes the things that take us away from the 1 thing we are biologically hardwired to do. I know why, they just largely fall into the bucket of ‘selfish’ which I said about a dozen replies ago, you’re now just explaining the breakdown of selfish reasons which doesn’t help 😂

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Holy fuck. I have seen dumb people on this app before, but you are a whole next level. birth control, modern medicine allowed kids to live longer, and industrialization forcing us away from homesteading? None of these crossed your mind?

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Why are you so rattled lol I thought it was a spirited debate not an emotional fight 😂 at least you do your handle justice

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Sounds like you’re fucking miserable and wish you could travel. Instead you have shitty kids you ignore so you can type dumb shit online

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks They just didn’t want to and wanted to do other things are the same point. They are the selfish ones I am referring to. Other reasons are valid I’m not some absolutist on it all

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Jamaica weirdly isn’t here…

I don’t believe everyone should or needs to procreate either, and to some extent brutally that is natural selection, but it shouldn’t be the wider message that having kids is not necessary and kind of a ‘nice to have, if you want’ because they absolutely are necessary so it should be encouraged. I think we kind of agree tbf I’m just a bit more bullish on encouragement of it rather than framing it as a luxury essentially :)

I understand and respect your arugument and maybe even think we are talking about two different t things now. You are arguing population and extinction as an obligation to procreate (I definitely understand the math) I am arguing free will (which I think we have also always had) to procreation. I dont want the world to go extinct. I also don’t believe everyone should procreate 🤷‍♂️😂

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks No this point doesn’t hold up - what is your explanation for humans procreating successfully to expand the population when things were TERRIBLE hundreds or thousands of years ago vs now?

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Not human history. Since birthrate decline. Context. Use your brain

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks I’ve got kids 😂 is this why you’re so triggered, you’ve decided against kids so you can go to Jamaica and don’t like being told you’re selfish?

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks This is the dumbest possible framing I’ve ever heard. Agency with your life = selfish. Nah dude you’re right. Wanting to travel is selfish. Let’s culturally pressure women to be housewives and fuck you bc no one willingly will. 💀💀💀💀

@eternalllooser @TiosQueso @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Each to their own :)

@EconomyComments @TiosQueso @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Yea down with the humankind Id love that

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks I said if they ‘took the selfish approach’ eg chose not to so they can go on more holidays etc ?

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks People who don’t have kids are selfish for not “doing the heavy lifting” 🫩

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Because you’re crying about things being worse than ever before when it’s actually the best time in human history? 😭

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks 😭 Bro they didn’t have modern medicine or birth control until the 1950s. Da fuck you comparing this to the 1700s for???

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks That was always my point you must have misread it what makes you think it wasn’t????

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks I’m not arguing that. Look at you cowardly walking away from your “but” point once I took it apart hahahaha

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Do you seriously think 300 years ago people got ‘parental leave’ or better healthcare and were in any way financially better off than the average US citizen today? Seriously.

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks It’s not selfish to have free will and agency, fucking weirdo. Birth rates would be higher if life was affordable. People in the US get little to no parental leave, family care, no healthcare, high cost of living, and are working more hours than ever for less pay comparitively

@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks You’re literally missing the point and I laid it out so clearly. If the average becomes 1 kid for every couple, the next generation halves in size, then again, then again. Until extinction. That’s basic maths right? You don’t need more surely?

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks I didn’t struggle with anything you condescending freak. It’s your framing. What’s your “mathematical evidence” that lowering unplanned or unwanted births is a good thing? That’s your opinion.

@TiosQueso @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks The generation so selfish it actually caused their species to go extinct 😭

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Pretty much not our problem🤣

You’re kind of right but drawing false parallels (unintentionally, I don’t think you’re trying to twist facts). For most of human history, other than royalty & nobles, *everyone* was in poverty by today’s standards - they managed. More people are in Gov assistance now because there’s more Gov assistance to try and raise the standard of living. Historically when less were receiving it, they just had worse lives, it wasn’t people were more wealthy and didn’t need it. Re economic gap, again yes sort of, the richest of the rich are just infinitely ahead, but the base level of poverty now vs historically is better. The ceiling has absolutely gotten higher agreed, but the floor has too relative to historic standards.

I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said…other than it’s just not realistic Children being born into poverty all over the world More people than ever are in government assistance….therefore….they are procreating and others are paying for it. There had also never been a bigger economic gap between the wealthy and the poor. No such thing as a free lunch

Nope. Was super easy to read anyway but I will try differently just for you : The average *needs* to be 2 kids per couple to maintain civilisation. Some will have more, some less, hence *average* (you seemed to struggle with that the first time?) If however, the overall message becomes ‘you don’t need to have kids’, and we get to the point that those doing the heavy lifting buy into it and take the selfish approach, civilisation collapses within a few generations. Nothing I have said is opinion, it is mathematical. Does that clarify?

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks “You don’t need to have kids, but there are problems in society if you don’t” is your argument?

@GBPolitcs @Telegraph It’s unsustainable & can be claimed by anyone with no tangible evidence. There must be a better way.

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@GeegWer123 @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Did your brain fall out before you got to my second sentence 😭

@EconomyComments @AlxndrBrwn87 @jonbrooks Average means everyone must do it