Let me explain something to the MAGA crowd, because clearly someone needs to.
They seem to think NATO is cosmic room service. You pick up the phone, say “hello, we’re having a bit of a war here,” and thirty-one countries march to your rescue. A continental Uber for military adventures.
That is not how it works.
Article 5 is a mutual defense clause. The clue is in the word mutual. And it has been triggered exactly once in NATO’s entire history. After September 11. When America was attacked. Not Europe. America.
Every NATO member showed up. They went to Afghanistan. They fought. They bled. They died. In America’s war. On America’s behalf.
Now imagine they hadn’t.
Over 1,100 allied soldiers died in Afghanistan. British, Canadian, German, Danish, Polish. And yes, even Ukrainian soldiers, who had no NATO obligation whatsoever. Gone. Without them, those are American names on those graves. Sons from Ohio. Fathers from Georgia. Kids from Nebraska who never came home.
Then there is the money. NATO allies spent over 100 billion dollars on a war that started on American soil. Without that, Washington pays every cent. On top of the 2 to 3 trillion the war already cost.
And without allied bases across Europe and Central Asia, American supply lines collapse entirely. Without British forces in Helmand and Canadians in Kandahar, the Taliban reconstitutes in three years instead of ten. The gaps get filled one way. More American deployments. More American coffins arriving at Dover.
Afghanistan was bloody. But NATO took the hit. Without them, every single one of those casualties would have had an American name.
Trump called allies like these losers. Suckers.
If you are a certain kind of broken person, that probably makes sense to you. But for the rest of us, what those soldiers did has a different name. Honor. The bond between men who have been in the same dirt, under the same fire. Between Brits and Americans, Frenchmen and Norwegians, Canadians and Danes. Not a diplomatic relationship. A blood bond. Brotherhood forged in places most people will never see and cannot imagine.
In that culture, you do not mock a fallen ally. You do not sneer at the dead. It is the lowest thing a human being can do. Trump did it to a standing ovation.
If you are a MAGA supporter travelling to NATO countries, understand this. There are no friendly pats on the back waiting for you. No one will buy you a beer. The governments who share your worldview sit in Minsk, Moscow and Pyongyang. Brutal dictatorships where journalists disappear, elections are theatre and dissent is a medical condition treated in basements. Not London. Not Paris. Not Rome, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Berlin or Ottawa.
You have abandoned the open societies, the free press, the rule of law, the places where people actually want to live. You traded the best of civilization for a very small, very dark room. Frankly, it serves you right.
Gandalv / @Microinteracti1
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Youre sat here saying I dont know about easter and that im conquered yet you seem to think easter started as a germanic pagan thing
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Easter celebrates the rebirth of christ aka his resurrection from the tomb, the name and eggs are a Germanic tradition
The germanic traditions and younger than the religion meaning behind easter, which again, I dont give a shit about because im not religious
@Adm_GamingXIX@Microinteracti1 so conquered he doesn't even know Easter is a uniquely European pagan festival with a bunch of Christian window dressing lol damn dude your culture is diluted. sad, man. godspeed, y'all gonna need it.
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 No you see, im just not Christian, o couldn't give a rats ass about god, Jesus, Islam or any other religion.
They are all a fraud, institutions to run money through with backwards ideologies that justify the shit people who follow them do.
I dont bend my knee to make belief
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Strange since we haven't submitted to shit, and easter is easter, so what if the middle Eastern man rose from the dead.
Doesn't make him any more special than a comman man
@Adm_GamingXIX@Microinteracti1 we did.
we closed our border and have net negative immigration.
we have people removing the invaders.
meanwhile you try to downplay Easter and submit to the invaders. weird, that.
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Strange I dont feel conquered, I still have my sword and the 'enemy' number less than a raiding party.
Maybe, instead of being a cunt here, go fight then8jvasion thats happening in your own country.
After all id hate to be siding with a nation full of kiddie feelers and jews
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Ah yes he should be bombing civilians and children forcing them to move to another country all because his name is on the nonce list?
Get a fucking grip
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Funnily enough my sister is with white boy. I know shocking
But hey at least my king isnt out there forcing the Arabs to move to other countries
@ArthurT27839@Sargon_of_Akkad When two armies are working together, it is objectively stupid for the much smaller army to run off by themselves and attack first with no support from the group. You just asked why isn't Israel going "LLLLLLEEEERRRRRROOOOYYYYY JENKINS!!!!!!"
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@Adm_GamingXIX@Microinteracti1 Is English even your language anymore? Your king is muslim now. You talk about my sister but you gave yours to a migrant. You might want to pick another angle.
@Elite_Goose@Microinteracti1 Youre right never again.
Never again will Europeans spill blood for ungrateful cunts whos whole existence is thanks to Europe
@BrokenCrow35@Sargon_of_Akkad Regarding agency - sure they could, but it would be objectively stupid.
In general when two armies of unequal strength work together....the greatest chance of success lies in the smaller army being a capable assistant to the much much larger army and not fucking up their plan.
@BrokenCrow35@Sargon_of_Akkad I actually usually am one to cry dajooooz hahaha i hate their influence in the USA. But this is something Donald Trump was talking about doing 45 years ago. If anything I think it's a case of overlapping interests.
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@unseriousbanda1@Sargon_of_Akkad That question is your username.
As of right now 0 troops form ANY nation have been deployed in Iran....so your question is why are we not pissed off at Israel for not being the first nation to invade? Unserious. Aptly named.